Vote on Palestinian Statehood Looms

[Coito ergo sum]

LOL - no, they like Muslims. They kick Jews and Christians out and steal their land because they are not Muslims. Example: Lebanon.

They don't let synogogues and churches be built in Saudi Arabia.

They strip Jews of citizenship: Examples: Algeria, Egypt, Iraq,Libya, Morocco, Syria, and Yemen/Aden

They have riots and pogroms against Jews, and froze Jewish assets and confiscated Jewish property. Laws were introduced branding Zionism a crime in Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco and Syria.

Jews were chased out of Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Transjordan when those countries erupted in anti-Jewish violence when Israel was formed.



LOL - let's all pretend that Muslims don't hate Jews for a second. That must by why they called the formation of Israel the 'Nakba' or the 'catastrophe.'

[Warren Dew]

Israel HAS given up settlements, so your claim that they won't give up any is ridiculous.

Gawd was talking about Netanyahu's speech. I don't believe Israel has given up any settlements under Netanyahu, and they've certainly established new ones.

Let's hear the Palestinians accept the suggestion. Have they? Have the Palestinians even hinted that they'll take a country based on the 67 borders of Israel?

A U.N. imposed proposal is unworkable, but yes, the Palestinians have previously said they'll take a state based on the pre-1967 borders, although the current administration has not. Israel will never agree to giving up east Jerusalem, though.

Israel should just annex the west bank, give its residents citizenship, stonewall on the right of return issue, and let Gaza become an independent state.

[Ian]

Jeez, Gawd, stop acting like a baby. Netanyahu and the Likud Party are all but hyperventilating and pissing themselves over Obama's speech, and deservedly so... and yet you're griping that the US President didn't espouse a peace proposal that includes the annihilation of Israel and driving seven million Jews into the sea. Grow up already.

[Santa_Claus]

The only reason I can see for the Jews refusing to accept victory (for the last 10 years) is that they are holding out for Armageddon / Holocaust II..........if the Jews don't settle for peace then sooner or later (20 years or 200) they will be wiped off the map (again).

..........a puzzle that a people so aware of there own History don't learn from it.

[mistermack]

The old con is starting again.
Clinton played it well, but George Bush never had the brains.

America picks an argument with Israel. Israel huffs and puffs. Israel carries on stealing land. America disapproves, so deflecting the worst outrage in the middle east.
But nothing ever changes. Israel is still starving out the Gaza strip, still stealing land, still building it's wall, still operating apartheid against arab residents.

The truth is that there is no disagreement, the US does NOT want a palestinian state, it wants the palestinians to disappear, which they will, gradually, as they are starved and squeezed out.

Obama is PRETENDING to want Israel to retreat to pre-war borders. It's all a lie. He was bought and sold by the Pro-Israel lobby in the US long before he became president, same as Clinton was. If he REALLY wanted Israel to do something, it would get done.

Actually, I prefer this approach, even though it's a lie.
Bush made his position publicly clear. As far as he was concerned, the palestinians were at the mercy of the Israelis. It led to the 911 attacks and all that followed.
Clinton lied and bullshitted, but at least it kept the lid on it.
Obama is just doing the same thing.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm in favor of whatever pisses Gawd off.

[Coito ergo sum]

For a disappearing people, their numbers sure are growing.

The 9/11 attacks were planned for several years before Bush was president, so the idea that Bush's view on the Palestinians "led to" the 9/11 attacks is ludicrous.

Israel is not "starving out" the Gaza strip, and isn't stealing land. The land it held after 67 is rightfully there's. They were attacked.

[mistermack]

The land it held after 67 is rightfully there's. They were attacked.

Strange how nobody thought to tell the russians that, after WW2.
Like all Merkins, you make up your morality to suit what you want. It's joke morality.
What it boils down to is, what America wants, is always good and right.
Strange how the rest of the world has trouble understanding that.
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[Coito ergo sum]

The land it held after 67 is rightfully there's. They were attacked.

Strange how nobody thought to tell the russians that, after WW2.

They kept what they wanted, and only gave back what was in their interest to give back.

Like all Merkins, you make up your morality to suit what you want. It's joke morality.

I was thinking the same thing about you.

I notice you have selective application of your outrage.

What it boils down to is, what America wants, is always good and right.

No. We're not even talking about what "America" wants. This is about Israel.

Strange how the rest of the world has trouble understanding that.
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LOL - which are the moral countries, again?

[Ian]

The truth is that there is no disagreement, the US does NOT want a palestinian state, it wants the palestinians to disappear, which they will, gradually, as they are starved and squeezed out.

Obama is PRETENDING to want Israel to retreat to pre-war borders. It's all a lie. He was bought and sold by the Pro-Israel lobby in the US long before he became president, same as Clinton was. If he REALLY wanted Israel to do something, it would get done..

Completely ludicrous, every word of it. Makes about as much sense as all the paranoid Republicans who insist that Obama is secretly a socialist, no matter what he says or does to the contrary. How the hell is anyone going to overturn this sort of logic? "President X says this thing and turns it into official policy, but we all know he really means exactly the opposite, now don't we?"

Maybe guys like you think the US President has more influence than he really does, which is why you say things like "If he REALLY wanted Israel to do something, it would get done." Holy crap that's crazy. Obama knows that Netanyahu is not his puppet, and Israel sure as shit does not see itself as a puppet of the US, not by a frickin' mile.

Obama's acting in the US' own long-term interests. That might be hard for some paranoid Israel-hating people to swallow, but US interests are not always aligned with whatever Israel happens to be doing. Gawd likes to claim that out of all the gazillion offices and lobbies in DC, it's AIPAC that secretly controls the federal government. And apparently you buy into it as well, claiming Presidents are bought and sold by this one little lobby group before they even come into office. Here's your wake-up call: what does the first initial in AIPAC stand for?

[Coito ergo sum]

Come on, Ian, it's a conspiracy between the AIPAC and the PNAC to make Jerusalem the capital of the world. A country the size of New Jersey in both land area and population can easily infiltrate and dominate the United States. New Jersey can't. California can't. Texas can't. But, Israel can. Why? You know why....the Jews! They control Hollyweird, and all of international banking. Remember - the Illuminati and the Bildeberg Group, in conjunction with the Freemasons and the CFR - are really Jewish front groups and are an outgrowth of the House of Rothschild.

Isn't it obvious?

House of Rothschild = Banking

See - here is the Jew putting his mitts on the entire world: Note the big nose, breathing up a disproportionate share of the world's air.

This 18th century banking Jew specifically led to the commonplace "scheming Jew" of the early 20th century: See them plotting to steal land and money from unsuspecting and well-meaning Arabs....

After the Holocaust, only the strong Jews, in true Darwinian fashion, survived, leading to a master race of survivable Jews. After 1947, they began feasting and gaining sustenance from the flesh of Arab children:

That, of course, demonstrates quite clearly what the Jews are up to, and why they are so dangerous.

[mistermack]

Clinton made all the same noises as Obama. What happened? Fuck all.
Because it was fuckin lies ! that's why.
When George Bush got in, and said that he was leaving the "Palestinian problem" to the Israelis and Palestinians, he in effect said "fuck the Palestinian".
He in effect, by making that statement, pointed the planes at the trade centre. It was obvious that something was going to explode.
Obama has learn't that lesson, hence the bullshit.

I said if Obama REALLY wanted it. If he really wanted a solution, he could impose it. What would Israel be without the US paying it's bills? Or being it's ultimate guarantor?
It's a tiny country, with no other friends.

It never ceases to amaze me how gullible americans are. You mindlessly gobble up bullshit, so long as it's american bullshit. That's why so many are religious. It's a national mindset, not to look behind the headlines.

However, one thing is clear. It's best for the US to have public disagreements with Israel. And that's what will happen.
But the US will take no practical steps whatsoever to tip the balance. Because there never was any intention to change anything.
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[Coito ergo sum]

Clinton made all the same noises as Obama. What happened? Fuck all.
Because it was fuckin lies ! that's why.

Either that, or it was a good faith attempt, that failed ultimately.

When George Bush got in, and said that he was leaving the "Palestinian problem" to the Israelis and Palestinians, he in effect said "fuck the Palestinian".

You're more angry with George Bush for telling what you think is the truth, than you are about Clinton and Obama lying.

In 2002, a ship called the Karina-A was seized en route to Arafat. It was full of weapons. Bush spoke to Arafat and asked what the deal was, and Arafat denied knowing anything about it. Investigations revealed that it was Arafats finances that paid for the weapons. The Bush Admin thereafter deemed Arafat compromised and untrustworthy and began taking steps to push him out. Many people in the pro-Israel community feared the election of George W. Bush, expecting him to act like his father who was regarded as probably the most anti-Israel president in history.

He in effect, by making that statement, pointed the planes at the trade centre.

He absolutely did not, and that's ridiculous. Al Qaeta was planning to hit the trade centers long before Bush was even running for President.

It was obvious that something was going to explode.
Obama has learn't that lesson, hence the bullshit.

Al Qaeta was attacking the US since about 1993, and the 9/11 attacks were coming no matter what W's policies were on Palestine. Your timeline is way off.

I said if Obama REALLY wanted it. If he really wanted a solution, he could impose it.

If he could, he would. It would seal his reelection and be in the national interest of the United States.

What would Israel be without the US paying it's bills? Or being it's ultimate guarantor?

The same place Egypt and Jordan would be without the US paying their bills. Having a much harder time.

It's a tiny country, with no other friends.

It never ceases to amaze me how gullible americans are.

LOL - that's rich. You have the puerile notion that the US has this all-powerful ability to "impose" peace in the middle east, but for some reason, despite it being extremely in the US's national interest, the US just says "fuck it - let's keep the fight going."

You mindlessly gobble up bullshit, so long as it's american bullshit. That's why so many are religious. It's a national mindset, not to look behind the headlines.

You think that the plan to hit the world trade center arose some time after January of 2001, and you accuse Americans of "gobbling up bullshit?" You appear to be felching it through a garden hose, my friend.

However, one thing is clear. It's best for the US to have public disagreements with Israel. And that's what will happen.
But the US will take no practical steps whatsoever to tip the balance. Because there never was any intention to change anything.
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Another joker who thinks that the problem of peace in the middle east, or the lack thereof, is the United States. It's not the actual parties involved. It's not the fact that they fucking hate each other, and that the Palestinians want Israel destroyed. It's not that they feel Israel has no right to exist. It's not 1400 years of the most strident religious hatreds on the planet. It's because the US, despite peace between the parties being in the US interest and despite the fact that the US doesn't really give a half a flying fuck who controls the tiny scrub of land along the fucking Jordan, just doesn't feel like changing anything.

LOL - what a laugh.

[mistermack]

Coito, you're so full of shit, it has to be deliberate.
It's not even amusing shit. If you actually believe it, I'm sorry for you.
If you don't, I'm really really sorry for you.
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[Warren Dew]

When George Bush got in, and said that he was leaving the "Palestinian problem" to the Israelis and Palestinians, he in effect said "fuck the Palestinian".

George Bush had a road map to Palestinian statehood and was holding the Israelis to it until Afghanistan and Iraq took over all his foreign policy attention and Israel started building settlements again.