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Post by Pensioner » Wed May 04, 2011 10:41 pm

Seth wrote:
Pensioner wrote:12 rednecks good and true find another redneck not guilty of murder, good old American justice at its best.
Indeed. Beats Lords and Ladies and high mucky-mucks pronouncing judgment on the forelock-tugging serviles of the UK.
At last we can agree on something as I have no time for Lord muck and sir what's his name, I despise both groups with equal measure.
“I wish no harm to any human being, but I, as one man, am going to exercise my freedom of speech. No human being on the face of the earth, no government is going to take from me my right to speak, my right to protest against wrong, my right to do everything that is for the benefit of mankind. I am not here, then, as the accused; I am here as the accuser of capitalism dripping with blood from head to foot.”

John Maclean (Scottish socialist) speech from the Dock 1918.

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Re: Whopper of the Month

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Pensioner wrote:
Seth wrote:
Pensioner wrote:12 rednecks good and true find another redneck not guilty of murder, good old American justice at its best.
Indeed. Beats Lords and Ladies and high mucky-mucks pronouncing judgment on the forelock-tugging serviles of the UK.
At last we can agree on something as I have no time for Lord muck and sir what's his name, I despise both groups with equal measure.
Funny then that you would decry trial by jury of one's peers. The only difference I can see is that these may have been "rednecks," but your version would be "blacknecks" or something similar.
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Re: Whopper of the Month

Post by Tero » Wed May 04, 2011 11:51 pm

Why dont we just put up traffic signs where gun nuts live, like we do for deaf children.

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Post by Pensioner » Thu May 05, 2011 12:18 am

Seth wrote:
Pensioner wrote:
Seth wrote:
Pensioner wrote:12 rednecks good and true find another redneck not guilty of murder, good old American justice at its best.
Indeed. Beats Lords and Ladies and high mucky-mucks pronouncing judgment on the forelock-tugging serviles of the UK.
At last we can agree on something as I have no time for Lord muck and sir what's his name, I despise both groups with equal measure.
Funny then that you would decry trial by jury of one's peers. The only difference I can see is that these may have been "rednecks," but your version would be "blacknecks" or something similar.
Redneck Jury.

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Post by Seth » Thu May 05, 2011 2:47 am

Pensioner wrote:
Seth wrote:
Pensioner wrote:
Seth wrote:
Pensioner wrote:12 rednecks good and true find another redneck not guilty of murder, good old American justice at its best.
Indeed. Beats Lords and Ladies and high mucky-mucks pronouncing judgment on the forelock-tugging serviles of the UK.
At last we can agree on something as I have no time for Lord muck and sir what's his name, I despise both groups with equal measure.
Funny then that you would decry trial by jury of one's peers. The only difference I can see is that these may have been "rednecks," but your version would be "blacknecks" or something similar.
Redneck Jury.
The good old boys, or should I say the inbred bastards.
Are you really that stupid that you can't distinguish between a lynching (which is a capital crime) and a jury verdict? How sad.

Now, about Anne Boleyn and Harry Percy, among many others...
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Re: Whopper of the Month

Post by Pensioner » Thu May 05, 2011 2:20 pm

.Double post :stoned:
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“I wish no harm to any human being, but I, as one man, am going to exercise my freedom of speech. No human being on the face of the earth, no government is going to take from me my right to speak, my right to protest against wrong, my right to do everything that is for the benefit of mankind. I am not here, then, as the accused; I am here as the accuser of capitalism dripping with blood from head to foot.”

John Maclean (Scottish socialist) speech from the Dock 1918.

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Post by Pensioner » Thu May 05, 2011 2:22 pm

I do know the difference between a jury made up of folk like yourself and the loony community you grew up in. A jury of nut jobs does not = justice in my book. :Erasb:
“I wish no harm to any human being, but I, as one man, am going to exercise my freedom of speech. No human being on the face of the earth, no government is going to take from me my right to speak, my right to protest against wrong, my right to do everything that is for the benefit of mankind. I am not here, then, as the accused; I am here as the accuser of capitalism dripping with blood from head to foot.”

John Maclean (Scottish socialist) speech from the Dock 1918.

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Re: Whopper of the Month

Post by .Morticia. » Thu May 05, 2011 3:54 pm

Overwhelming Force is not a method used when a violent confrontation has already begun

it's about stopping confrontation before there is any violence or threat of violence.

Used properly, Overwhelming Force results in less violence.

What you are talking about is nothing more than superior fire power.
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Post by Pensioner » Thu May 05, 2011 4:15 pm

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“I wish no harm to any human being, but I, as one man, am going to exercise my freedom of speech. No human being on the face of the earth, no government is going to take from me my right to speak, my right to protest against wrong, my right to do everything that is for the benefit of mankind. I am not here, then, as the accused; I am here as the accuser of capitalism dripping with blood from head to foot.”

John Maclean (Scottish socialist) speech from the Dock 1918.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu May 05, 2011 4:18 pm

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Post by Seth » Thu May 05, 2011 11:55 pm

Pensioner wrote:I do know the difference between a jury made up of folk like yourself and the loony community you grew up in. A jury of nut jobs does not = justice in my book. :Erasb:
Somehow I doubt you do know what you think you know. And if the Prosecutor, Judge, or Defense thought any of them was a "nut job," they wouldn't be on the jury. That's what Voir Dire is for. You just don't agree with the verdict, so all you can do is bash the people who actually had to make the decision in your abysmal ignorance of the facts of the case.

Typical.

You might feel differently when it's a jury of your peers who CONVICT you for defending yourself against a mugger because you had the temerity to resist and actually INJURE the poor benighted bugger who was just trying to make a buck.
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Re: Whopper of the Month

Post by Seth » Fri May 06, 2011 12:00 am

.Morticia. wrote:Overwhelming Force is not a method used when a violent confrontation has already begun

it's about stopping confrontation before there is any violence or threat of violence.

Used properly, Overwhelming Force results in less violence.

What you are talking about is nothing more than superior fire power.
No, it's overwhelming force. Something like sixty percent of all defensive gun uses (DGU) in the US are nothing more than the display of overwhelming force at the beginning of an assault that stops the crime instantly and causes the criminal to run away.

That's the point. That, and deterrence through the threat of the use of overwhelming force by an armed victim. Concealed carry is about threatening ALL criminals with overwhelming force using the "shell game" method to conceal which of the victims the criminal might choose might be armed and prepared to shoot him dead on the spot.

Works, too. Really, really well. Violent crime rates in places where concealed carry is lawful drop by an initial 8 to 15%.

Criminals are cowards, you see. They want your wallet, they don't want to get killed getting it.
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Post by Santa_Claus » Fri May 06, 2011 9:19 am

I think cultural differences may apply.

Me wife was Asian - she never worried about anyone banging on the door trying to kill her. Anyone in that likely category died beforehand. Probably :biggrin:

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Re: Whopper of the Month

Post by egbert » Fri May 06, 2011 2:17 pm

Seth wrote:
Pensioner wrote:12 rednecks good and true find another redneck not guilty of murder, good old American justice at its best.
Indeed. Beats Lords and Ladies and high mucky-mucks pronouncing judgment on the forelock-tugging serviles of the UK.
Nice STRAWMAN/RED HERRING! As usual.

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Re: Whopper of the Month

Post by .Morticia. » Fri May 06, 2011 2:24 pm

egbert wrote:
Seth wrote:
Pensioner wrote:12 rednecks good and true find another redneck not guilty of murder, good old American justice at its best.
Indeed. Beats Lords and Ladies and high mucky-mucks pronouncing judgment on the forelock-tugging serviles of the UK.
Nice STRAWMAN/RED HERRING! As usual.

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he thinks he's witty

it's a play on words

you know

peer , as in people from the same community = usa = democracy

peer, as in the unelected members of the House of Lords = UK = oppression
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