Osama bin Laden: Dead

[sandinista]

You're so easy, duney, it's like a game.

ditto old man.

You wish. Stay hidden in the taiga, but stop molesting the underage moose, please.

too easy, like baiting a two year old, pathetic.

I should feel bad about baiting a two year old like you?

get off the computer, I think there might be some kids on your lawn.

[kiki5711]

Gawd

why are you bringing a whole basket of fruit into this?

let's take one thing at a time

revenge is sweet..........you wanna see my sword collection?

[Gawd]

Gawd

why are you bringing a whole basket of fruit into this?

let's take one thing at a time

revenge is sweet..........you wanna see my sword collection?

For all those here that call me a lunatic, hateful, and ignorant, it is plain to see that it is the Americans that are lunatic, hateful, and ignorant. What comes around, goes around.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Gawd

why are you bringing a whole basket of fruit into this?

let's take one thing at a time

revenge is sweet..........you wanna see my sword collection?

For all those here that call me a lunatic, hateful, and ignorant, it is plain to see that it is the Americans that are lunatic, hateful, and ignorant. What comes around, goes around.

But your just a victim of character definition, aren't you?

[Coito ergo sum]

The Americans on this board and in general are so vindictive and blind (except for Coito). They are full of rage and willful deceit that they do not see that they hold responsibility for creating the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the rise of power of Osama bin Laden. They do not see any reason at all for an attack on Americans when decades of American sponsored wars, assassinations, and greed in the Middle East have brought forth it`s own vengeance. The murder of Osama bin Laden only goes to fuel more anger at the Americans, which started their own fire.

That's an overly simplistic assignment of blame. Obviously, no event is in a vacuum, and the US is not the only actor in the world, nor is it the only guilty actor. Other nations also participate and no more or less honorably or well intentioned than the United States.

[kiki5711]

The Americans on this board and in general are so vindictive and blind (except for Coito). They are full of rage and willful deceit that they do not see that they hold responsibility for creating the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the rise of power of Osama bin Laden. They do not see any reason at all for an attack on Americans when decades of American sponsored wars, assassinations, and greed in the Middle East have brought forth it`s own vengeance. The murder of Osama bin Laden only goes to fuel more anger at the Americans, which started their own fire.

That's an overly simplistic assignment of blame. Obviously, no event is in a vacuum, and the US is not the only actor in the world, nor is it the only guilty actor. Other nations also participate and no more or less honorably or well intentioned than the United States.

I agree with you. If you look at it it's really a game. LIke a chess game on a grand scale.

The way I see it USA is announcing that we still have to work with Pakistan with good faith, even though (the whole OBL invasion) was done without them even knowing about it.
This tells me one thing. USA, at some point stopped believing Pakistan and made a decision to act without them, in so, showing we don't really trust them. On the outside, we remain like two good little tykes playing in the sand, but in reality, and quietly, I think US is questioning Pakistan big time.

[Gawd]

The Americans on this board and in general are so vindictive and blind (except for Coito). They are full of rage and willful deceit that they do not see that they hold responsibility for creating the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the rise of power of Osama bin Laden. They do not see any reason at all for an attack on Americans when decades of American sponsored wars, assassinations, and greed in the Middle East have brought forth it`s own vengeance. The murder of Osama bin Laden only goes to fuel more anger at the Americans, which started their own fire.

That's an overly simplistic assignment of blame. Obviously, no event is in a vacuum, and the US is not the only actor in the world, nor is it the only guilty actor. Other nations also participate and no more or less honorably or well intentioned than the United States.

The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden didn't come out of nowhere. They were the creation of the Americans in Afghanistan to terrorize the Soviets.

[Ian]

The Americans on this board and in general are so vindictive and blind (except for Coito). They are full of rage and willful deceit that they do not see that they hold responsibility for creating the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the rise of power of Osama bin Laden. They do not see any reason at all for an attack on Americans when decades of American sponsored wars, assassinations, and greed in the Middle East have brought forth it`s own vengeance. The murder of Osama bin Laden only goes to fuel more anger at the Americans, which started their own fire.

That's an overly simplistic assignment of blame. Obviously, no event is in a vacuum, and the US is not the only actor in the world, nor is it the only guilty actor. Other nations also participate and no more or less honorably or well intentioned than the United States.

The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden didn't come out of nowhere. They were the creation of the Americans in Afghanistan to terrorize the Soviets.

In a really roundabout sort of logic, the kind designed solely to blame America for everything that happens everywhere. It's like saying the Americans were responsible for Japanese atrocities in China in the 1930s because US Commodore Perry opened Japan up to trade and modernization decades earlier. Yeah, maybe if the US ignored Japan for a while longer then the Rape of Nanking wouldn't have happened in 1937. But it's just silly and biased. You blame before you analyze, Gawd. Actually I take that back: what you do cannot rightfully be called analysis.

[Gawd]

The Americans on this board and in general are so vindictive and blind (except for Coito). They are full of rage and willful deceit that they do not see that they hold responsibility for creating the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the rise of power of Osama bin Laden. They do not see any reason at all for an attack on Americans when decades of American sponsored wars, assassinations, and greed in the Middle East have brought forth it`s own vengeance. The murder of Osama bin Laden only goes to fuel more anger at the Americans, which started their own fire.

That's an overly simplistic assignment of blame. Obviously, no event is in a vacuum, and the US is not the only actor in the world, nor is it the only guilty actor. Other nations also participate and no more or less honorably or well intentioned than the United States.

The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden didn't come out of nowhere. They were the creation of the Americans in Afghanistan to terrorize the Soviets.

In a really roundabout sort of logic, the kind designed solely to blame America for everything that happens everywhere. It's like saying the Americans were responsible for Japanese atrocities in China in the 1930s because US Commodore Perry opened Japan up to trade and modernization decades earlier. Yeah, maybe if the US ignored Japan for a while longer then the Rape of Nanking wouldn't have happened in 1937. But it's just silly and biased. You blame before you analyze, Gawd. Actually I take that back: what you do cannot rightfully be called analysis.

Oh, straw arguments, Ian. You guys directly funded and helped create the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden who's sole aim was to terrorize the Soviets.

[Ian]

Yep, that's more or less accurate. As did quite a few other countries, by the way. The problem with it was not funding anti-Soviet resistance in Afghanistan, but ignoring Afghanistan after it was done. That should be obvious enough.

Which isn't to say the former was an incorrect decision, by the way. It all had awful consequences down the road, but for all its irritation Islamic extremism is not and never has been an existential threat. The USSR was.

[Seth]

The Americans on this board and in general are so vindictive and blind (except for Coito). They are full of rage and willful deceit that they do not see that they hold responsibility for creating the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the rise of power of Osama bin Laden. They do not see any reason at all for an attack on Americans when decades of American sponsored wars, assassinations, and greed in the Middle East have brought forth it`s own vengeance. The murder of Osama bin Laden only goes to fuel more anger at the Americans, which started their own fire.

That's an overly simplistic assignment of blame. Obviously, no event is in a vacuum, and the US is not the only actor in the world, nor is it the only guilty actor. Other nations also participate and no more or less honorably or well intentioned than the United States.

The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden didn't come out of nowhere. They were the creation of the Americans in Afghanistan to terrorize the Soviets.

In a really roundabout sort of logic, the kind designed solely to blame America for everything that happens everywhere. It's like saying the Americans were responsible for Japanese atrocities in China in the 1930s because US Commodore Perry opened Japan up to trade and modernization decades earlier. Yeah, maybe if the US ignored Japan for a while longer then the Rape of Nanking wouldn't have happened in 1937. But it's just silly and biased. You blame before you analyze, Gawd. Actually I take that back: what you do cannot rightfully be called analysis.

Oh, straw arguments, Ian. You guys directly funded and helped create the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden who's sole aim was to terrorize the Soviets.

Yeah? So what? The Soviet Union was our enemy at the time and we needed to support anyone who would oppose Soviet expansionism. Politics makes strange bedfellows. But that was then, this is now. Sure, it would, in hindsight, which is always 20/20, been prudent to exterminate all of the Mujhadeen in Afghanistan after they kicked the Soviets out, but that wasn't a practical thing to do.

You'll note that until Osama came along in the 90's, a disaffected Saudi, the muhajadeen were quite friendly with the U.S. My friend Col. Robert Brown, publisher of SOF magazine spent quite a lot of time with them in Afghanistan after the Soviets left (and before they left too...arming and training them out of his own pocket till Congress made that illegal) and he is still good friends with a number of them today.

Osama decided he didn't like the US forces in Saudi Arabia after we trained and equipped him, and that's how Al Quaeda got started. Had nothing to do with our support for the Mujahadeen against the Soviets.

[Robert_S]

The standard line I hear is that the US didn't care about the muhajadeen except that they were fighting the USSR and somehow that makes it all our fault.

I don't care about the power company except to the extent that they keep the lights on for a reasonable rate and don't pollute too much. If I move off the grid and they become a terrorist organization, then it will be all my fault by that kind of logic.

[sandinista]

The standard line I hear is that the US didn't care about the muhajadeen except that they were fighting the USSR and somehow that makes it all our fault.

I don't care about the power company except to the extent that they keep the lights on for a reasonable rate and don't pollute too much. If I move off the grid and they become a terrorist organization, then it will be all my fault by that kind of logic.

Thats a bit of a stretch.

[egbert]

The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden didn't come out of nowhere. They were the creation of the Americans in Afghanistan to terrorize the Soviets.

Fer Chrissakes, will you stop confusing these people with FACTS! Whatsamatter wit you? Isn't there a hockey game on tonight, or some Hollywood scandal? Let's get with the important stuff, huh!

[Hermit]

I am disappointed to see the USA administration officially resorting to employing assassination squads. Although the Nuremberg trials of 1945/6 did not escape criticism, (Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court Harlan Fiske Stone, for instance, called the Nuremberg trials a fraud and a high-grade lynching party because the accused were arraigned on ex post facto laws,) at least a pretense of a fair trial took place before ten of the twelve principal Nazis on trial were executed. (The other two committed suicide).

In so far as "we" are now resorting to assassination, the "free world" is lowering itself to the same level as its enemy. Coming on the heels of exempting selected suspects from habeas corpus, a number of other legal protections from injustice, and the reintroduction of systematic use of torture, all of which we prided ourselves on as a mark of distinction from less civilised societies, I think the victories we may be said to have won in the war against terrorism are rather hollow.