Is Bin Laden really dead?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I like skepticism and doubt.


Blurry line between those and paranoia, I guess, but I still like them.

I doubt that.

[Atheist-Lite]

I like skepticism and doubt.


Blurry line between those and paranoia, I guess, but I still like them.

I doubt that.

I kept a open mind and my brains fell out just like they said. What do I do now?

[sandinista]

I like skepticism and doubt.


Blurry line between those and paranoia, I guess, but I still like them.

[Tigger]

I like skepticism and doubt.


Blurry line between those and paranoia, I guess, but I still like them.

Agreed, but I'm talking about crass stupidity and relying on wild imaginings. It's the way one can utterly debunk a "theorist's" argument only for them to change tack, fuck off and return yocto seconds later with some other shite that they've trawled from the back of their head that I find irksome.

[JimC]

I still can't go past the realpolitik...

If the US is indulging in a big lie, they didn't kill Bin Laden, meaning he's still out there, his next video appearance mocking the Great Satan for lying about killing him would destroy US credibility for the forseeable future...

The US is not crazy enough to do that...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

dead or alive, one thing that is virtually a guarantee is that the official US story is not true.

Too much of a blanket statement. The official US story has not yet coalesced; when it does, it may leave some details out, add some spin or be misleading in some respects. But, give he is dead (or, more improbably, incarcerated) via US action, the essence of the story is correct.

blanket? If by blanket you mean true, The official US story will not be true.

dead or alive, one thing that is virtually a guarantee is that the official US story is not true.

Too much of a blanket statement. The official US story has not yet coalesced; when it does, it may leave some details out, add some spin or be misleading in some respects. But, give he is dead (or, more improbably, incarcerated) via US action, the essence of the story is correct.

Good luck injecting reality into Sandy.

You're always late, always lame.

[mistermack]

These conspiracy theorists are more annoying than wooists. At least yer religious deludee has the good grace to (largely) stick to one topic (i.e. God), and sort of adhere to the shite that's contained in their single tome of choice; the conspiracy theorist (and it's NOT a fucking theory, you've hijacked that word and you don't know what it really means) just makes stuff up about a plethora of random and varied world events with the apparent backing and authority of science behind them. Bollocks.

You're right. The governments of the world would never lie to the public.
I'm so embarrassed that I suggested it was possible.
.

[Tigger]

These conspiracy theorists are more annoying than wooists. At least yer religious deludee has the good grace to (largely) stick to one topic (i.e. God), and sort of adhere to the shite that's contained in their single tome of choice; the conspiracy theorist (and it's NOT a fucking theory, you've hijacked that word and you don't know what it really means) just makes stuff up about a plethora of random and varied world events with the apparent backing and authority of science behind them. Bollocks.

You're right. The governments of the world would never lie to the public.
I'm so embarrassed that I suggested it was possible.
.

I didn't say they didn't ever lie, you've just twisted it to suit. They obviously do lie, but it takes long term use of a foil hat to make someone think that there is a sinister ulterior motive for absolutely everything.

Moon landings
Princess Diana
JFK
bin Laden
911
yada yada yada

[Rum]

These conspiracy theorists are more annoying than wooists. At least yer religious deludee has the good grace to (largely) stick to one topic (i.e. God), and sort of adhere to the shite that's contained in their single tome of choice; the conspiracy theorist (and it's NOT a fucking theory, you've hijacked that word and you don't know what it really means) just makes stuff up about a plethora of random and varied world events with the apparent backing and authority of science behind them. Bollocks.

You're right. The governments of the world would never lie to the public.
I'm so embarrassed that I suggested it was possible.
.

I didn't say they didn't ever lie, you've just twisted it to suit. They obviously do lie, but it takes long term use of a foil hat to make someone think that there is a sinister ulterior motive for absolutely everything.

Moon landings
Princess Diana
JFK
bin Laden
911
yada yada yada

Quite so. To be a *real* conspiracy theorist you have to believe that any consensus about any topic is proof that there is a conspiracy!

[sandinista]

I still can't go past the realpolitik...

If the US is indulging in a big lie, they didn't kill Bin Laden, meaning he's still out there, his next video appearance mocking the Great Satan for lying about killing him would destroy US credibility for the forseeable future...

The US is not crazy enough to do that...

That's short sighted. Bin Laden may be dead, might have died years ago. Might have been paid off, there are any number of possibilities. What remains the same is that the story the US government is telling is most likely bullshit. To be trusted one has to earn it, the US government has done nothing to earn the trust of anyone but the truly naive.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I still can't go past the realpolitik...

If the US is indulging in a big lie, they didn't kill Bin Laden, meaning he's still out there, his next video appearance mocking the Great Satan for lying about killing him would destroy US credibility for the forseeable future...

The US is not crazy enough to do that...

That's short sighted. Bin Laden may be dead, might have died years ago. Might have been paid off, there are any number of possibilities. What remains the same is that the story the US government is telling is most likely bullshit. To be trusted one has to earn it, the US government has done nothing to earn the trust of anyone but the truly naive.

And the fear of the truly paranoid.

[Atheist-Lite]

The US adminstration is unlikely to commit to 'killing bin laden' without watertight evidence. If it is 'bullshit' then they've crossed the line into some seriously dangerous territory for a ruling elite. Either way I'm glad I'm on this side of the pond since killing Bin Laden is dumb anyway - you can't interrogate a dead man.

[Tigger]

I suppose the thread title is speculative, but it's time for me to unsubscribe as it's turning silly. Carry on, chaps and chapesses.

[sandinista]

I still can't go past the realpolitik...

If the US is indulging in a big lie, they didn't kill Bin Laden, meaning he's still out there, his next video appearance mocking the Great Satan for lying about killing him would destroy US credibility for the forseeable future...

The US is not crazy enough to do that...

That's short sighted. Bin Laden may be dead, might have died years ago. Might have been paid off, there are any number of possibilities. What remains the same is that the story the US government is telling is most likely bullshit. To be trusted one has to earn it, the US government has done nothing to earn the trust of anyone but the truly naive.

And the fear of the truly paranoid.

coming from the truly naive.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I still can't go past the realpolitik...

If the US is indulging in a big lie, they didn't kill Bin Laden, meaning he's still out there, his next video appearance mocking the Great Satan for lying about killing him would destroy US credibility for the forseeable future...

The US is not crazy enough to do that...

That's short sighted. Bin Laden may be dead, might have died years ago. Might have been paid off, there are any number of possibilities. What remains the same is that the story the US government is telling is most likely bullshit. To be trusted one has to earn it, the US government has done nothing to earn the trust of anyone but the truly naive.

And the fear of the truly paranoid.

coming from the truly naive.

BOO!!!!