So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by MrJonno » Tue May 03, 2011 2:09 pm

My cat has just informed me that she is not an atheist and thinks I'm her sky daddy
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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Svartalf » Tue May 03, 2011 2:43 pm

mmmh, you don't speak cat do you? Our feline Masters deem us serfs, no dogs
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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by tsig » Tue May 03, 2011 3:03 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Woodbutcher wrote:
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Radical acts of violence against corporations and research institutions by ALF, for example...

So all atheists are members of ALF?
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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by tsig » Tue May 03, 2011 3:06 pm

Robert_S wrote:I have a strong belief that a red hot poker stuck up my ass would be painful and damaging and I would take great pains, or inflict great pains on others, to avoid it. What's my religion?
You're Edward the II of England therefore Catholic.


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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by camoguard » Tue May 03, 2011 7:41 pm

Seth wrote:
camoguard wrote:@Seth, you must have overlooked my posting on Friday. So here's a bump with a link. My post
Perhaps I did, but your bump didn't get me to your post, probably because such references don't work properly when the user has the order of display reversed so the newest is at the top.

You might have to repost it and I'll get to it. I was sick all weekend with a temp of 103, so I fell behind. My apologies.
Is there another way to link to a post in a sorting indifferent way?

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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Seth » Tue May 03, 2011 8:30 pm

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MrJonno wrote:I'm am atheist, so is my cat, so is my shoe, so is a rock. Even the pope's hat is an atheist

Being an atheist doesnt even require you to be conscious never mind being alive, unlike being a Christian which requires an active effort to be so.

Atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief system.

There are obviously people who don't like religion and thats an important part of their politics but thats nothing to do with atheism
Good try, but Seth's a religious, so facts don't enter into the debate. (At least not from his end.) :nazi:
There's no point debating with someone about religion who says that "lack of belief" equals "belief".
That's only because you are mendaciously and truculently holding to the fallacious and evasive claim that most atheist have only a "lack of belief," they don't. They mostly have a very firm set of beliefs surrounding the issue of theism. You also appear to be unable or unwilling to comprehend the notion that beliefs are formed quite easily once a concept or idea is given consideration.

Not surprising at all really. I face this same deliberate blindness and cognitive disconnect in most on-line atheist forums, where atheists are so radicalized and fearful of being in any way associated with religion that they have an unthinking, unreasoning, paranoid reaction to the proposition that they might be behaving every bit as religiously about their dogma as the worst of evangelical religionists. So, they deny, obfuscate, pettifog, lie, dissemble, hyperbolize, sophistrize, and generally try to weasel their way out of the truth I speak, because it's so very discomfiting to them to acknowledge that they are religious zealots too.
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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Seth » Tue May 03, 2011 8:31 pm

camoguard wrote:
Seth wrote:
camoguard wrote:@Seth, you must have overlooked my posting on Friday. So here's a bump with a link. My post
Perhaps I did, but your bump didn't get me to your post, probably because such references don't work properly when the user has the order of display reversed so the newest is at the top.

You might have to repost it and I'll get to it. I was sick all weekend with a temp of 103, so I fell behind. My apologies.
Is there another way to link to a post in a sorting indifferent way?
Not that I know of, but give me the date of the post and a line from the beginning and I'll search for it.

Or just copypasta it to a new post.
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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Seth » Tue May 03, 2011 8:32 pm

MrJonno wrote:My cat has just informed me that she is not an atheist and thinks I'm her sky daddy
See, I told you a religion could be built around fact...
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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 03, 2011 8:33 pm

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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Seth » Tue May 03, 2011 8:34 pm

MrJonno wrote:I'm am atheist, so is my cat, so is my shoe, so is a rock. Even the pope's hat is an atheist

Being an atheist doesnt even require you to be conscious never mind being alive, unlike being a Christian which requires an active effort to be so.

Atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief system.

There are obviously people who don't like religion and thats an important part of their politics but thats nothing to do with atheism
Atheism is not applicable to inanimate objects or non-sentient creatures. Even the technical definition, "a lack of belief in god" necessarily requires the capacity to believe, therefore your statement is fallacious.
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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue May 03, 2011 8:55 pm

Atheism is most likely true. In that respect it is diametrically opposed to every religion's concept of gods.

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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Svartalf » Tue May 03, 2011 8:59 pm

Seth wrote: That's only because you are mendaciously and truculently holding to the fallacious and evasive claim that most atheist have only a "lack of belief," they don't. They mostly have a very firm set of beliefs surrounding the issue of theism. You also appear to be unable or unwilling to comprehend the notion that beliefs are formed quite easily once a concept or idea is given consideration.

Not surprising at all really. I face this same deliberate blindness and cognitive disconnect in most on-line atheist forums, where atheists are so radicalized and fearful of being in any way associated with religion that they have an unthinking, unreasoning, paranoid reaction to the proposition that they might be behaving every bit as religiously about their dogma as the worst of evangelical religionists. So, they deny, obfuscate, pettifog, lie, dissemble, hyperbolize, sophistrize, and generally try to weasel their way out of the truth I speak, because it's so very discomfiting to them to acknowledge that they are religious zealots too.
and you, cur, are mendaciously and truculently holding to the fallacious and evasive claim that most atheists belong to a religion or any kind of group that has a common identity, because they happen to all reject the one proposition that you can't bear examining for fear you might have to doubt its veracity. That's like trying to say that Aristotle, Descartes, Kant and Schopenhaure were all the same because they all practiced philosophy.

Not so, Atheists are even more varied that any religion, precisely because they freely think for themselves, rather than within the bounds, or from the premises of a system that may not be doubted or exited, and they each arrive to their own philosophy. The fact that these philosophies have in common of not including the divine, because it is either rejected, or simply not factored in, does not make them a group. Will you tell me that Socratists are the same as Cartesian thinkers?

I'm sorry, but you seem to be wearing the cognitive disconnect blinkers, and I love how you accuse your opponents of using all the dirty tools that the deists have been using for so long, both to justify their own fallacies, and to condemn those who dissented.
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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 03, 2011 9:08 pm

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Post by Svartalf » Tue May 03, 2011 9:15 pm

What I don't get is how big endians would make war with little endians over the way to break an egg, but both would make common cause to exterminate those who don't like to eat eggs.
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Re: So Neo, did you know that Atheism is a religion?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 03, 2011 9:18 pm

Svartalf wrote:What I don't get is how sharp enders would make war with blunt enders over the way to stand an egg in the cup, but both would make common cause to exterminate those who don't like to eat eggs.
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