Osama bin Laden: Dead

[Gawd]

Waterboarding tends to increase a person's forthrightness.

the information is unreliable, so why do it

Common misconception. You don't take one person's statement on face value. You look at it in light of all other information you have. People say, "A person being tortured will tell you ANYTHING." Not exactly, they know that getting caught lying won't help them any. They will tell you EVERYTHING, eventually, in the hope that you'll stop. Stopping becomes a reward for telling the truth. Not stopping results from lies. And it's generally easy to tell the difference.

Or so I'm told.

Let's waterboard Ian and "ask" if he has ever tortured anyone. We won't stop until he fesses up.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Waterboarding tends to increase a person's forthrightness.

the information is unreliable, so why do it

Common misconception. You don't take one person's statement on face value. You look at it in light of all other information you have. People say, "A person being tortured will tell you ANYTHING." Not exactly, they know that getting caught lying won't help them any. They will tell you EVERYTHING, eventually, in the hope that you'll stop. Stopping becomes a reward for telling the truth. Not stopping results from lies. And it's generally easy to tell the difference.

Or so I'm told.

Let's waterboard Ian and "ask" if he has ever tortured anyone. We won't stop until he fesses up.

I have you on the list. Lay down right here.

[Ian]

Let's waterboard Ian and "ask" if he has ever tortured anyone. We won't stop until he fesses up.

Maybe I have and maybe I haven't. But you'll never get it out of me. :twisted:

[Coito ergo sum]

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[Gawdzilla Sama]

View image, then come back to the page. It's not a 403 error such as SOME PEOPLE love so much.

[Coito ergo sum]

View image, then come back to the page. It's not a 403 error such as SOME PEOPLE love so much.

LOL - I did that. Just thought I'd grab a small victory where I could find one....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

View image, then come back to the page. It's not a 403 error such as SOME PEOPLE love so much.

LOL - I did that. Just thought I'd grab a small victory where I could find one....

You could have just taken a leak.

[Coito ergo sum]

View image, then come back to the page. It's not a 403 error such as SOME PEOPLE love so much.

LOL - I did that. Just thought I'd grab a small victory where I could find one....

You could have just taken a leak.

Have you been peeking at the public urinals again?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

View image, then come back to the page. It's not a 403 error such as SOME PEOPLE love so much.

LOL - I did that. Just thought I'd grab a small victory where I could find one....

You could have just taken a leak.

Have you been peeking at the public urinals again?

I clicked the wrong cam button yesterday. BTW, you should work on your aim or wipe your shoes before leaving the loo. Just sayin'.

[charlou]

Let's waterboard Ian and "ask" if he has ever tortured anyone. We won't stop until he fesses up.

Maybe I have and maybe I haven't. But you'll never get it out of me. :twisted:

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[Warren Dew]

I would be surprised if ANY of the info gathered under long term repeated torture led to this .

The code name for the courier whose family were the primary occupants of the house was obtained from Khalid Sheik Mohammed. Whether Sheik Mohammed would have revealed that information without having been waterboarded is unclear.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I would be surprised if ANY of the info gathered under long term repeated torture led to this .

The code name for the courier whose family were the primary occupants of the house was obtained from Khalid Sheik Mohammed. Whether Sheik Mohammed would have revealed that information without having been waterboarded is unclear.

We can't confuse the state of the interrogated with the state of the interrogator. While the interrogated may be on the verge of a breakdown, or worse, the interrogator is probably quite focused on the information to be had.

I'm picturing that passage in quotes for some reason.

[Seth]

Torture does not give much information . With a cell based terrorist structure it can only give you info (at best ) that probably you already know or will be out of date by the time you get it . Strangely torturing an innocent yoghurt salesman for MONTHS is not how they got the info to catch Bin Laden , I would be surprised if ANY of the info gathered under long term repeated torture led to this .

'Waterboarding tends to increase a person's forthrightness' this comment lessens my opinion of you considerably .

Actually, it appears that waterboarding Kahlid Sheik Mohammed, the imprisoned mastermind of the 1993 WTC bombing is what lead to identifying the bin Laden courier who eventually fucked up and made a phone call, which allowed the CIA to find bin Laden's compound and eventually put a bullet in his head.

Three cheers for waterboarding.

You see, it may produce a lot of waste information, but even trained spies, after being waterboarded hundreds of times, will screw up their stories in some small way that may provide the one puzzle-piece that's needed to break the case when combined with other pieces obtained from other terrorists using the same non-lethal, non-torture interrogation method.

I don't care how uncomfortable it makes the captured terrorist because he's a terrorist and has no rights at all. By choosing to be a terrorist, he's forfeited all his rights. Period.

Edit: Sorry, meant to say "eventually allowed Seal Team Six to put a bullet in his head." Gotta give credit where credit is due.

[Seth]

A dictator, then. No surprise there.

Not in the least. I'd disband and eject the organization from the U.S., which would mean my position as Secretary General would disappear, and I'd go back to twitting Netwits and defending liberty.

[Seth]

Let's waterboard Ian and "ask" if he has ever tortured anyone. We won't stop until he fesses up.

Maybe I have and maybe I haven't. But you'll never get it out of me. :twisted:

If you have, thanks. No really, thanks!