lol @ American law enforcement

[hadespussercats]

I can trace my genealogy back to a fellow named Ercc, who died in 474.
So can my husband, actually. We found out we're 20th cousins. Or 19th cousins, once removed, depending which route you choose.
Let's hear it for English inbreeding!
After all, why should Appalachians get all the fun?

[hadespussercats]

That's a rather sweeping approach to a very large gamut of possible ailments. Thirty percent of Americans deal with depression-- should none of them be allowed to drive? And what about people who have mental illnesses that are controlled or in remission? Don't they have civil rights?

There are plenty of people with mental illness who aren't violent and pose no danger to society. Attitudes like yours are the reason many of them are afraid to come out about their problems and seek treatment.

Depends on the degree of mental illness (or any other illness) on whether they should be able to drive . Thats the current law in the UK driving is something you have to prove you are competent to do and are required to report any illness that may affect your ability to do so (The state/society determines if you are fit to drive not you). Wife was suffering from an extremely serious illness which required daily medical visits from nurses/shrinks etc and it would have been a complete irresponsibility by me as a human being never mind a husband to let her anywhere near a car.

No idea what the laws are like in the US but I would hope they would be similar, through I remember some TV program where a US driver had a heart attack and hit a policeman car causing him to have serious burns. The driver was criminally charge and convicted as he already knew he had a serious heart problem and another attack was likely. II support the principle but not sure what the point is in putting seriously ill people in jail).

If depression can be medically or otherwise controlled then I don't see a problem in them driving but thats a doctor/government/society decision not theirs

You said you didn't think anyone with a mental illness should be allowed to drive. I'm glad you didn't mean that, and that you recognize nuances of degree. Still, there's probably a reason you didn't employ that sense of nuance in your earlier statement. Sweeping generalizations promote intolerance.

The mentally handicapped are fine behind the wheel. It's the women that you have to watch out for.











J/k

Oh, YOU.

What about a double threat?

[Svartalf]

I can trace my genealogy back to a fellow named Ercc, who died in 474.
So can my husband, actually. We found out we're 20th cousins. Or 19th cousins, once removed, depending which route you choose.
Let's hear it for English inbreeding!
After all, why should Appalachians get all the fun?

Erc of Dalriada?

[hadespussercats]

I can trace my genealogy back to a fellow named Ercc, who died in 474.
So can my husband, actually. We found out we're 20th cousins. Or 19th cousins, once removed, depending which route you choose.
Let's hear it for English inbreeding!
After all, why should Appalachians get all the fun?

Erc of Dalriada?

C'est possible. I'm not sure. He's a Plantagenet ancestor.

[Coito ergo sum]

I can trace my genealogy back to a fellow named Ercc, who died in 474.
So can my husband, actually. We found out we're 20th cousins. Or 19th cousins, once removed, depending which route you choose.
Let's hear it for English inbreeding!
After all, why should Appalachians get all the fun?

How did you manage to trace lineage back to 474? That's impressive.

[hadespussercats]

I can trace my genealogy back to a fellow named Ercc, who died in 474.
So can my husband, actually. We found out we're 20th cousins. Or 19th cousins, once removed, depending which route you choose.
Let's hear it for English inbreeding!
After all, why should Appalachians get all the fun?

How did you manage to trace lineage back to 474? That's impressive.

If you can find your way back to a royal, it suddenly gets a lot easier. They kept pretty good records.

The link is through my mom, who's Quaker. Quakers are almost as into genealogy as Mormons are, and a lot is online for free.

Unfortunately, that's the only branch I can trace so well. My dad's family, any of the available branches I think only go back... eight generations, maybe? at the most, before they die out into Europe. And Mom's dad's line is the same story.

As J put it, our records are deep. But they're not very wide at all.

[Svartalf]

So maybe I should dig at the roots of the Capetian line to check what I got there? Too bad my link to them is a bastard daughter, yet...

[hadespussercats]

So maybe I should dig at the roots of the Capetian line to check what I got there? Too bad my link to them is a bastard daughter, yet...

Bastards are all right. According to the Catholic Church, my mom's a bastard. Those bastards.

[Coito ergo sum]

I can trace my genealogy back to a fellow named Ercc, who died in 474.
So can my husband, actually. We found out we're 20th cousins. Or 19th cousins, once removed, depending which route you choose.
Let's hear it for English inbreeding!
After all, why should Appalachians get all the fun?

How did you manage to trace lineage back to 474? That's impressive.

If you can find your way back to a royal, it suddenly gets a lot easier. They kept pretty good records.

The link is through my mom, who's Quaker. Quakers are almost as into genealogy as Mormons are, and a lot is online for free.

Unfortunately, that's the only branch I can trace so well. My dad's family, any of the available branches I think only go back... eight generations, maybe? at the most, before they die out into Europe. And Mom's dad's line is the same story.

As J put it, our records are deep. But they're not very wide at all.

Yeah, but...Quakers don't go back to 1474, much less 474...I'm amazed by that amount of time - you've got yourself back nearly to when there was a Western Roman Empire...

[hadespussercats]

I can trace my genealogy back to a fellow named Ercc, who died in 474.
So can my husband, actually. We found out we're 20th cousins. Or 19th cousins, once removed, depending which route you choose.
Let's hear it for English inbreeding!
After all, why should Appalachians get all the fun?

How did you manage to trace lineage back to 474? That's impressive.

If you can find your way back to a royal, it suddenly gets a lot easier. They kept pretty good records.

The link is through my mom, who's Quaker. Quakers are almost as into genealogy as Mormons are, and a lot is online for free.

Unfortunately, that's the only branch I can trace so well. My dad's family, any of the available branches I think only go back... eight generations, maybe? at the most, before they die out into Europe. And Mom's dad's line is the same story.

As J put it, our records are deep. But they're not very wide at all.

Yeah, but...Quakers don't go back to 1474, much less 474...I'm amazed by that amount of time - you've got yourself back nearly to when there was a Western Roman Empire...

Yeah, it's pretty cool, huh? I mean, not really all that significant in terms of actual effects in my day-to-day life, but still, fun to think about.

The Quaker links were helpful getting records back to where the nobles started being scattered in here and there, which gets you good records back even further... and so on and so forth.

[Coito ergo sum]

I can trace my genealogy back to a fellow named Ercc, who died in 474.
So can my husband, actually. We found out we're 20th cousins. Or 19th cousins, once removed, depending which route you choose.
Let's hear it for English inbreeding!
After all, why should Appalachians get all the fun?

How did you manage to trace lineage back to 474? That's impressive.

If you can find your way back to a royal, it suddenly gets a lot easier. They kept pretty good records.

The link is through my mom, who's Quaker. Quakers are almost as into genealogy as Mormons are, and a lot is online for free.

Unfortunately, that's the only branch I can trace so well. My dad's family, any of the available branches I think only go back... eight generations, maybe? at the most, before they die out into Europe. And Mom's dad's line is the same story.

As J put it, our records are deep. But they're not very wide at all.

Yeah, but...Quakers don't go back to 1474, much less 474...I'm amazed by that amount of time - you've got yourself back nearly to when there was a Western Roman Empire...

Yeah, it's pretty cool, huh? I mean, not really all that significant in terms of actual effects in my day-to-day life, but still, fun to think about.

The Quaker links were helpful getting records back to where the nobles started being scattered in here and there, which gets you good records back even further... and so on and so forth.

Interesting. A while back I did the National Geographic Genographic project and got my genetic history from like 40,000 years ago leaving Africa and making the trip up through Asia Minor to Russia, and then banging left over to northern Europe. It seems my ancestors took a fairly direct route to northern Europe and didn't move much. That gets me to 10,000 years ago or so....lol...I'll need to work myself back, I think.

[hadespussercats]

Show off.

[Coito ergo sum]

Show off.

LOL.... :-)

I need to try to get my ancestry done, though. My family kind of disappears quickly after my great grandparents, as far as we know so far.

I've always felt isolated in that way - growing up we had only a nuclear family - the rest of my extended family living thousands of miles away. It was always just the five of us. Everyone else seemed to have these big families - cousins, aunts, uncles, multiple grandparents, the whole bit. We never had that. And, nobody ever knew anything about my great grandparents, and certainly not beyond that. I always wanted that sense of having a big family with some history - I don't know why - probably just the mere fact of having a small family with no known history beyond a century ago....

[Feck]

I'm not sure they just accidentally ended in a bad neighbourhood by chance ...... seems unlikely to me ???? Still they should be able to go buy drugs without being shot !

[Wumbologist]

I'm not sure they just accidentally ended in a bad neighbourhood by chance ...... seems unlikely to me ???? Still they should be able to go buy drugs without being shot !

No doubt, but interacting with a criminal element that one is unfamiliar with is never a good idea. I wouldn't go to Australia and try to frequent bikie hangouts unless I truly understood what I was getting myself into.