You think you're smart, do you?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

Kind of an idiot Savant, then?

No, that's just accidentally her last name as she was actually born Marilyn Mach to Joseph Mach and Marina vos Savant, (immigrants from Germany and Italy). She took her mother's surname as her own.

Here's a wiki article about her.

Incidentally word "savant" means both "a learned person", "a scholar" and "an idiot savant".

Savant is the present participle of the French verb Savoir - to know. Therefore, it literally means, 'knowing'.

[Existentialist1844]

Bill Gates allegedly has an IQ of about 160, but judging by his performance on United States v. Microsoft trial, his EQ, and SQ is of a five year old.

One of the brightest (documented) people ever was William James Sidis, who excelled on many areas of knowledge (especially linguistics and mathematics) and whose estimated IQ was between 250-300. His father taught psychology at Harvard and was considered one of the foremost psychologists of his day. He argued that traditional approaches to child-rearing obstructed the learning process. The elder Sidis was determined not to make the same mistake with his son.

He started by stringing words together with alphabet blocks above the child's crib. He eschewed the usual "googley-goo" baby-talk that adults lapse into around infants, speaking instead to the child in the same way he would speak to an adult. If the boy showed any interest in a subject, Boris encouraged his curiosity and study.

The effect of all this on the boy was astounding. By the time he was two, William was reading literature meant for adults; by age four he was typing letters in French and English; at age five he wrote a treatise on anatomy and dazzled everyone with a mathematical expertise few adults could match.

William Sidis graduated from Brookline High School when he was eight years old. When he applied at Harvard, the entrance board suggested he take a few off to let his personality catch up with his intellect. Willie spent the time between high school and college reading books in French, German, Latin, Greek, Russian, Turkish and Armenian.

The boy entered Harvard at age eleven, becoming the youngest student ever to attend the school. Later that year he gave a speech in front of the Harvard Mathematical Society 0n the subject of "Four-Dimensional Bodies." After the speech, one of the professors told reporters that the boy would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century, which of course he didn't - he couldn't stand constant publicity that followed him everywhere, he vanished from public eye, and after a series of manual jobs he died of a cerebral hemorrhage at the age of 46.

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

What IQ tests fail to measure is social IQ. The ability to function well socially, pick up cues etc... This factor, which is unmeasured, is one of the greatest components of success.

Actually, you are wrong to a certain extent. The WISC and WAIS do measure social comprehension and practical skills (it falls under the Verbal Comprehension Index part of the test). You are wrong to "a certain extent" because its only a subtest of the whole test; therefore, it is limited in accurately measuring someone's social skills.

[Beelzebub2]

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

Kind of an idiot Savant, then?

No, that's just accidentally her last name as she was actually born Marilyn Mach to Joseph Mach and Marina vos Savant, (immigrants from Germany and Italy). She took her mother's surname as her own.

Here's a wiki article about her.

Incidentally word "savant" means both "a learned person", "a scholar" and "an idiot savant".

Savant is the present participle of the French verb Savoir - to know. Therefore, it literally means, 'knowing'.

That is true, as can be seen here - however here it says that it is "a very wise and knowledgeable man" - (from French savante).

According to Wiktionary it derives from: French "savant", from Latin "sapere".

"savant" (plural "savants")
1. A person of learning; one who is versed in literature or science.
2. A person eminent for acquirements.

As stated by wiki it is "an expert or wise person" as well.

[Existentialist1844]

Savant used in clinical terms means someone who is extremely knowledgeable about a topic(s).

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Savant used in clinical terms means someone who is extremely knowledgeable about a topic(s).

Exactly. Hence 'idiot savant' - a person that has great knowledge (or mental ability) in one particular sphere, while being subnormal, even to the point of non-functionality, in most others.

[Existentialist1844]

Savant used in clinical terms means someone who is extremely knowledgeable about a topic(s).

Exactly. Hence 'idiot savant' - a person that has great knowledge (or mental ability) in one particular sphere, while being subnormal, even to the point of non-functionality, in most others.

Leave out the word idiot.

[al-rawandi]

Bill Gates allegedly has an IQ of about 160, but judging by his performance on United States v. Microsoft trial, his EQ, and SQ is of a five year old.

One of the brightest (documented) people ever was William James Sidis, who excelled on many areas of knowledge (especially linguistics and mathematics) and whose estimated IQ was between 250-300. His father taught psychology at Harvard and was considered one of the foremost psychologists of his day. He argued that traditional approaches to child-rearing obstructed the learning process. The elder Sidis was determined not to make the same mistake with his son.

He started by stringing words together with alphabet blocks above the child's crib. He eschewed the usual "googley-goo" baby-talk that adults lapse into around infants, speaking instead to the child in the same way he would speak to an adult. If the boy showed any interest in a subject, Boris encouraged his curiosity and study.

The effect of all this on the boy was astounding. By the time he was two, William was reading literature meant for adults; by age four he was typing letters in French and English; at age five he wrote a treatise on anatomy and dazzled everyone with a mathematical expertise few adults could match.

William Sidis graduated from Brookline High School when he was eight years old. When he applied at Harvard, the entrance board suggested he take a few off to let his personality catch up with his intellect. Willie spent the time between high school and college reading books in French, German, Latin, Greek, Russian, Turkish and Armenian.

The boy entered Harvard at age eleven, becoming the youngest student ever to attend the school. Later that year he gave a speech in front of the Harvard Mathematical Society 0n the subject of "Four-Dimensional Bodies." After the speech, one of the professors told reporters that the boy would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century, which of course he didn't - he couldn't stand constant publicity that followed him everywhere, he vanished from public eye, and after a series of manual jobs he died of a cerebral hemorrhage at the age of 46.

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

What IQ tests fail to measure is social IQ. The ability to function well socially, pick up cues etc... This factor, which is unmeasured, is one of the greatest components of success.

Actually, you are wrong to a certain extent. The WISC and WAIS do measure social comprehension and practical skills (it falls under the Verbal Comprehension Index part of the test). You are wrong to "a certain extent" because its only a subtest of the whole test; therefore, it is limited in accurately measuring someone's social skills.

The IQ tests I have seen had no measuring of social ability. But this was some time ago. Anyhow, I am not sure that any written test can measure social clues that can happen in everyday interaction between live people. But I am no expert.

[Existentialist1844]

Bill Gates allegedly has an IQ of about 160, but judging by his performance on United States v. Microsoft trial, his EQ, and SQ is of a five year old.

One of the brightest (documented) people ever was William James Sidis, who excelled on many areas of knowledge (especially linguistics and mathematics) and whose estimated IQ was between 250-300. His father taught psychology at Harvard and was considered one of the foremost psychologists of his day. He argued that traditional approaches to child-rearing obstructed the learning process. The elder Sidis was determined not to make the same mistake with his son.

He started by stringing words together with alphabet blocks above the child's crib. He eschewed the usual "googley-goo" baby-talk that adults lapse into around infants, speaking instead to the child in the same way he would speak to an adult. If the boy showed any interest in a subject, Boris encouraged his curiosity and study.

The effect of all this on the boy was astounding. By the time he was two, William was reading literature meant for adults; by age four he was typing letters in French and English; at age five he wrote a treatise on anatomy and dazzled everyone with a mathematical expertise few adults could match.

William Sidis graduated from Brookline High School when he was eight years old. When he applied at Harvard, the entrance board suggested he take a few off to let his personality catch up with his intellect. Willie spent the time between high school and college reading books in French, German, Latin, Greek, Russian, Turkish and Armenian.

The boy entered Harvard at age eleven, becoming the youngest student ever to attend the school. Later that year he gave a speech in front of the Harvard Mathematical Society 0n the subject of "Four-Dimensional Bodies." After the speech, one of the professors told reporters that the boy would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century, which of course he didn't - he couldn't stand constant publicity that followed him everywhere, he vanished from public eye, and after a series of manual jobs he died of a cerebral hemorrhage at the age of 46.

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

What IQ tests fail to measure is social IQ. The ability to function well socially, pick up cues etc... This factor, which is unmeasured, is one of the greatest components of success.

Actually, you are wrong to a certain extent. The WISC and WAIS do measure social comprehension and practical skills (it falls under the Verbal Comprehension Index part of the test). You are wrong to "a certain extent" because its only a subtest of the whole test; therefore, it is limited in accurately measuring someone's social skills.

The IQ tests I have seen had no measuring of social ability. But this was some time ago. Anyhow, I am not sure that any written test can measure social clues that can happen in everyday interaction between live people. But I am no expert.

And what IQ tests have you seen? Two of the most popular IQ tests measure social comprehension and ability (WISC and WAIS). Not too sure about the Stanford-Binet. I wouldnt say I'm an expert, but I have experience in administering and scoring intelligent tests (supervised by a clincial neuropsychologist).

[al-rawandi]

Bill Gates allegedly has an IQ of about 160, but judging by his performance on United States v. Microsoft trial, his EQ, and SQ is of a five year old.

One of the brightest (documented) people ever was William James Sidis, who excelled on many areas of knowledge (especially linguistics and mathematics) and whose estimated IQ was between 250-300. His father taught psychology at Harvard and was considered one of the foremost psychologists of his day. He argued that traditional approaches to child-rearing obstructed the learning process. The elder Sidis was determined not to make the same mistake with his son.

He started by stringing words together with alphabet blocks above the child's crib. He eschewed the usual "googley-goo" baby-talk that adults lapse into around infants, speaking instead to the child in the same way he would speak to an adult. If the boy showed any interest in a subject, Boris encouraged his curiosity and study.

The effect of all this on the boy was astounding. By the time he was two, William was reading literature meant for adults; by age four he was typing letters in French and English; at age five he wrote a treatise on anatomy and dazzled everyone with a mathematical expertise few adults could match.

William Sidis graduated from Brookline High School when he was eight years old. When he applied at Harvard, the entrance board suggested he take a few off to let his personality catch up with his intellect. Willie spent the time between high school and college reading books in French, German, Latin, Greek, Russian, Turkish and Armenian.

The boy entered Harvard at age eleven, becoming the youngest student ever to attend the school. Later that year he gave a speech in front of the Harvard Mathematical Society 0n the subject of "Four-Dimensional Bodies." After the speech, one of the professors told reporters that the boy would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century, which of course he didn't - he couldn't stand constant publicity that followed him everywhere, he vanished from public eye, and after a series of manual jobs he died of a cerebral hemorrhage at the age of 46.

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

What IQ tests fail to measure is social IQ. The ability to function well socially, pick up cues etc... This factor, which is unmeasured, is one of the greatest components of success.

Actually, you are wrong to a certain extent. The WISC and WAIS do measure social comprehension and practical skills (it falls under the Verbal Comprehension Index part of the test). You are wrong to "a certain extent" because its only a subtest of the whole test; therefore, it is limited in accurately measuring someone's social skills.

The IQ tests I have seen had no measuring of social ability. But this was some time ago. Anyhow, I am not sure that any written test can measure social clues that can happen in everyday interaction between live people. But I am no expert.

And what IQ tests have you seen? Two of the most popular IQ tests measure social comprehension and ability (WISC and WAIS). Not too sure about the Stanford-Binet. I wouldnt say I'm an expert, but I have experience in administering and scoring intelligent tests (supervised by a clincial neuropsychologist).

I can't recall the specific name of the test. It was some time ago. I have never taken one and had it scored however.

Like I said, it is impossible to measure the level of social intelligence that one can see with observation. Being able to handle people well is a skill I think written tests are poorly able to measure. Unless there is a way written tests can measure social interaction that I don't know about.

[Existentialist1844]

al-rawandi wrote:

Like I said, it is impossible to measure the level of social intelligence that one can see with observation. Being able to handle people well is a skill I think written tests are poorly able to measure. Unless there is a way written tests can measure social interaction that I don't know about.

I disagree. I believe there are certain social situations which do have an objective answer-with that in mind, any person with adequate social skills should be able to handle that social situation in a specific manner. Any deviation from that answer would be "wrong," and that person would be considered having poor social skills.

[al-rawandi]

al-rawandi wrote:

Like I said, it is impossible to measure the level of social intelligence that one can see with observation. Being able to handle people well is a skill I think written tests are poorly able to measure. Unless there is a way written tests can measure social interaction that I don't know about.

I disagree. I believe there are certain social situations which do have an objective answer-with that in mind, any person with adequate social skills should be able to handle that social situation in a specific manner. Any deviation from that answer would be "wrong," and that person would be considered having poor social skills.

We will simply have to disagree as this is not my area of expertise, or even minimal knowledge.

[Existentialist1844]

al-rawandi wrote:

Like I said, it is impossible to measure the level of social intelligence that one can see with observation. Being able to handle people well is a skill I think written tests are poorly able to measure. Unless there is a way written tests can measure social interaction that I don't know about.

I disagree. I believe there are certain social situations which do have an objective answer-with that in mind, any person with adequate social skills should be able to handle that social situation in a specific manner. Any deviation from that answer would be "wrong," and that person would be considered having poor social skills.

We will simply have to disagree as this is not my area of expertise, or even minimal knowledge.

I understand.

[charlou]

I disagree. I believe there are certain social situations which do have an objective answer-with that in mind, any person with adequate social skills should be able to handle that social situation in a specific manner. Any deviation from that answer would be "wrong," and that person would be considered having poor social skills.

This is not objective, though, it's encultured, and therefore very much subjective.

[Existentialist1844]

I disagree. I believe there are certain social situations which do have an objective answer-with that in mind, any person with adequate social skills should be able to handle that social situation in a specific manner. Any deviation from that answer would be "wrong," and that person would be considered having poor social skills.

This is not objective, though, it's encultured, and therefore very much subjective.

No.

[Trolldor]

Yes, exi, it is.

There are no 'objectively' correct actions without an objective and conscious arbiter to enforce them.