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Post by FBM » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:09 am

Interesting stuff, I think. When I read "Cheddar Man", I immediately thought of XC, though. :hehe:
16 February 2011 Last updated at 22:08 GMT

Ancient Britons 'drank from skulls'By Jonathan Amos
Science correspondent, BBC News

Ancient Britons were not averse to using human skulls as drinking cups, skeletal remains unearthed in southwest England suggest.

The braincases from three individuals were fashioned in such a meticulous way that their use as bowls to hold liquid seems the only reasonable explanation.

The 14,700-year-old objects were discovered in Gough's Cave, Somerset.

Scientists from London's Natural History Museum say the skull-cups were probably used in some kind of ritual.

"If you look around the world there are examples of skull-cups in more recent times - in Tibetan culture, in Fiji in Oceania, and in India," said Dr Silvia Bello, a palaeontologist and lead author of a scientific paper on the subject in the journal PLoS One.

"So, skulls have been used as drinking bowls, and because of the similarity of the Gough's Cave skulls to these other examples, we imagine that that's what these ancient people were using them for also," she told BBC News.

Gough's Cave is situated in the Cheddar Gorge, a deep limestone canyon on the southern edge of the Mendip Hills.

Palaeo-investigations started there a hundred years ago, with many of the finds now held at the Natural History Museum (NHM).

The site is particularly noteworthy for the discovery in 1903 of "Cheddar Man", the complete skeleton of a male individual dating to about 10,000 years ago.

But the users - and owners - of the skulls discussed in the PLoS One article are actually from an earlier period in the history of the British Isles.

This was during a brief warm spike in a series of ice ages that allowed humans living in southern Europe to venture north into what was otherwise an utterly inhospitable landscape.

These Cro-Magnons, as we now call them, were hunter-gatherers living on their wits and, it seems, eating human flesh when the need and opportunity arose.

Gough's Cave famously held the remains of human bones that had been butchered to extract marrow in exactly the same way as animal bones on the site had been processed.

Our modern sensibilities find the thought of cannibalism repulsive, but these people lived in a different age, Dr Bello said:

"They were a one man band; they were going out, hunting, butchering and then eating their kill. And they were extremely skilled at what they did, but then that's how they survived.

"I think the production of the skull-cups is ritualistic. If the purpose was simply to break the skulls to extract the brain to eat it, there are much easier ways to do that.

"If food was the objective, the skull would be highly fragmented. But here you can really see they tried to preserve most of the skull bone; the cut marks tell us they tried to clean the skull, taking off every piece of soft tissue so that they could then modify it very precisely. They were manufacturing something."


The scientists have three skull-cup specimens in their collection from Gough's Cave
NHM colleague Professor Chris Stringer helped excavate one of the skull-cups in 1987 and is a co-author on the paper.

"This research shows how extensive the processing of these human remains was," he said.

"It's impossible to know how the skull-cups were used back then, but in recent examples they may hold blood, wine or food during rituals."

At about 14,700 years old, the Gough's Cave skull-cups would represent the oldest, recognised examples in the world.

The museum plans to put a detailed model of one of the skull-cups on display this March so that visitors can get a deeper insight the practices of these ancient Britons.
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:55 am

Let's face it, digging up quality clay, making a kiln, gathering firewood, turning it into charcoal, etc. is a right fucking pain to develop - not to mention glazing, which is something you are happy to let your distant descendants tackle - compared with cutting off some fuckers head and sawing their skull in half - instant bowl - job done! :tup:
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Thanks, XC. Now I'm craving chilli con carne. :drool:
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Post by Pappa » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:35 am

It's possible the skull cups could have been from dead family members or friends. Slightly later in British prehistory people were retaining and regularly moving/reusing the bones of their ancestors, possibly starting with sky-burrial. The bones seem to have been moved in and out of burrial mounds many times, mixed, resorted, handled and used extensively for generations.

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Pappa wrote:It's possible the skull cups could have been from dead family members or friends. Slightly later in British prehistory people were retaining and regularly moving/reusing the bones of their ancestors, possibly starting with sky-burrial. The bones seem to have been moved in and out of burrial mounds many times, mixed, resorted, handled and used extensively for generations.
Sounds like that could have been a sort of ritual related to ancestor worship. The patriarch as bearer of great-grandad's skull-chalice during a fertility rite, that sort of thing. :zilla:
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Pappa wrote:It's possible the skull cups could have been from dead family members or friends. Slightly later in British prehistory people were retaining and regularly moving/reusing the bones of their ancestors, possibly starting with sky-burrial. The bones seem to have been moved in and out of burrial mounds many times, mixed, resorted, handled and used extensively for generations.
Sounds like that could have been a sort of ritual related to ancestor worship. The patriarch as bearer of great-grandad's skull-chalice during a fertility rite, that sort of thing. :zilla:
There was definitely some kind of ancestor-related ritualism going on in Neolithic times. The evidence for the importance, handling and reuse of interred bones is clear. I'd love to have a time machine to find out exactly what the rituals were like and what significance they had.
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I wonder if any of the skulls were from beaten enemies. That would be wonderfully rude. :biggrin:
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Gawdzilla wrote:I wonder if any of the skulls were from beaten enemies. That would be wonderfully rude. :biggrin:
In the Iron Age here, warriors used to collect the heads of their foes and decorate their roundhouses with them, stacking them on poles outside and putting them above and beside their front doors.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:20 pm

It may have been a aberation rather than standard practice at that time. Sawney Bean lived in a cave and ate strangers in medieval times - the wooden structures of the more social folks are long gone but his cave is still around.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:21 pm

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Gawdzilla wrote:I wonder if any of the skulls were from beaten enemies. That would be wonderfully rude. :biggrin:
In the Iron Age here, warriors used to collect the heads of their foes and decorate their roundhouses with them, stacking them on poles outside and putting them above and beside their front doors.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:08 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Let's face it, digging up quality clay, making a kiln, gathering firewood, turning it into charcoal, etc. is a right fucking pain to develop - not to mention glazing, which is something you are happy to let your distant descendants tackle - compared with cutting off some fuckers head and sawing their skull in half - instant bowl - job done! :tup:
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Post by Berthold » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:37 pm

Pappa wrote:There was definitely some kind of ancestor-related ritualism going on in Neolithic times. The evidence for the importance, handling and reuse of interred bones is clear. I'd love to have a time machine to find out exactly what the rituals were like and what significance they had.
Just, what might be your part in these rituals?

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Post by hadespussercats » Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:20 pm

FBM wrote:Interesting stuff, I think. When I read "Cheddar Man", I immediately thought of XC, though. :hehe:
16 February 2011 Last updated at 22:08 GMT

Ancient Britons 'drank from skulls'By Jonathan Amos
Science correspondent, BBC News

Ancient Britons were not averse to using human skulls as drinking cups, skeletal remains unearthed in southwest England suggest.

The braincases from three individuals were fashioned in such a meticulous way that their use as bowls to hold liquid seems the only reasonable explanation.

The 14,700-year-old objects were discovered in Gough's Cave, Somerset.

Scientists from London's Natural History Museum say the skull-cups were probably used in some kind of ritual.

"If you look around the world there are examples of skull-cups in more recent times - in Tibetan culture, in Fiji in Oceania, and in India," said Dr Silvia Bello, a palaeontologist and lead author of a scientific paper on the subject in the journal PLoS One.

"So, skulls have been used as drinking bowls, and because of the similarity of the Gough's Cave skulls to these other examples, we imagine that that's what these ancient people were using them for also," she told BBC News.

Gough's Cave is situated in the Cheddar Gorge, a deep limestone canyon on the southern edge of the Mendip Hills.

Palaeo-investigations started there a hundred years ago, with many of the finds now held at the Natural History Museum (NHM).

The site is particularly noteworthy for the discovery in 1903 of "Cheddar Man", the complete skeleton of a male individual dating to about 10,000 years ago.

But the users - and owners - of the skulls discussed in the PLoS One article are actually from an earlier period in the history of the British Isles.

This was during a brief warm spike in a series of ice ages that allowed humans living in southern Europe to venture north into what was otherwise an utterly inhospitable landscape.

These Cro-Magnons, as we now call them, were hunter-gatherers living on their wits and, it seems, eating human flesh when the need and opportunity arose.

Gough's Cave famously held the remains of human bones that had been butchered to extract marrow in exactly the same way as animal bones on the site had been processed.

Our modern sensibilities find the thought of cannibalism repulsive, but these people lived in a different age, Dr Bello said:

"They were a one man band; they were going out, hunting, butchering and then eating their kill. And they were extremely skilled at what they did, but then that's how they survived.

"I think the production of the skull-cups is ritualistic. If the purpose was simply to break the skulls to extract the brain to eat it, there are much easier ways to do that.

"If food was the objective, the skull would be highly fragmented. But here you can really see they tried to preserve most of the skull bone; the cut marks tell us they tried to clean the skull, taking off every piece of soft tissue so that they could then modify it very precisely. They were manufacturing something."


The scientists have three skull-cup specimens in their collection from Gough's Cave
NHM colleague Professor Chris Stringer helped excavate one of the skull-cups in 1987 and is a co-author on the paper.

"This research shows how extensive the processing of these human remains was," he said.

"It's impossible to know how the skull-cups were used back then, but in recent examples they may hold blood, wine or food during rituals."

At about 14,700 years old, the Gough's Cave skull-cups would represent the oldest, recognised examples in the world.

The museum plans to put a detailed model of one of the skull-cups on display this March so that visitors can get a deeper insight the practices of these ancient Britons.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12478115
Couldn't they have just been using the skulls because they were convenient, sturdy, and readily available? Why were they necessarily used in rituals?

Also-- How did they plug up the hole in the bottom of the skull? Does anyone know what they used?
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