Ratz Drama Mafia game thread

[Zigmen]

Denny, Scum never goes immediately for an outed Seer. At least, not that I've seen. It made more sense to protect you on N3.

The big question is, why didn't they go for you on N3 if they gave you a pass on N2? There were still two kills last night.

I am having a difficult time figuring what sort of game design could lead you to safely claim Seer. Perhaps the Scum team has no Don?

If I were Scum, I would take that as a possibility that there was no Seer at all in this game . . .

For now, I'm holding back voting for you.

But, as you've seen before, a outed Seer who is still alive at endgame is usually bad news for Town. No?

[nellikin]

I am very worried about Gonzo. I think the whole idea of "mass outing" will only serve the cult. Assuming that, if they try to recruit scum, they die - then outing will serve their purpose in that they can identify vanilla town.

Oh and Jerome, your revenge vote of me is pathetic. Do you really believe I have done anything scummy whatsoever in this game?

Unvote

Vote Gonzo

[DennyB]

I hear ya Zig.
What is weird is my last 2 views died. And as I said before I'm not sure why. Could be some weird AZAlaughamatics. Or, the Doc was recuited and is trying to set me up?

My top list so far are:

Jarome
Higgs
Mantis
M


with alot of other???
I'm not sure where to put Zigmen yet.

Welcome to the game Charlou! I know you have alot of catching up to do.

This is a long day and there is no reason we should not hear from the light posters with some scum hunting and who they think are scum/cult. This is the only way we have to figure out whats going on.

[higgs2]

I don't like the mass outing. I don't like forcing specials to out.

[Zigmen]

I don't like the mass outing. I don't like forcing specials to out.

Nor do you like answering questions directed to you?

[charlou]

Thanks Denny, yes lots of catching up ... I've skimmed through and not happy with MZ's vote on contra, so firstly unvote contra

If contra was given my role when he subbed in for me then I'm the only person who knows for certain he's not scum ... Like anyone, he may have been recruited into the cult, though, so I will be rereading through the game and bearing that in mind with his posts, just as I will for everyone's.

[higgs2]

I don't like the mass outing. I don't like forcing specials to out.

Nor do you like answering questions directed to you?

Zig, please tell me what you are referring to I glanced back through this thread and didn't see any questions. I'll look again.

[higgs2]

Zigmen, every time you post you seem scummier to me. You also seem like your feelings are hurt. It's not personal, you know that.

Of course I know that.

So why did you keep your vote on me? The initial reason for your vote evaporated, yes?

okay here we go. I didn't see this. I kept my vote on you because even if you were mistaken, you were also using bad logic in suggesting UT was seer, which is unusual for town zig. And then yeah, I did think you were making a revenge vote so I kept it there for the pressure. You seem to be trolley tracking and not handling the pressure all too well tbh.

[Contrapposto]

Clever, Contra.

Unvote
Vote Contra

Voting an uncounterclaimed Town Special.

It would be stupid for a doc to counterclaim if you are lying at this point in the game with a possible three cult and likely 2 scum - that leaves 5 town and it's lynch or lose. Read the wiki on it - it's a common tactic for town threats to use as a way to flush out a doc once the numbers get to a certain point. Taking out the Doc, and additionally flushing out specific specials, would ensure the ellimination of town and likely result in a cult victory because they will be just as informed as scumm but in greater numbers should they sneak through one more night.
A truthful town doc counterclaiming would be about as rediculous as a townie doc, under no danger of being lynched, claiming under these circumstances in the first place. You have to accept the fact that it at the very least appears odd, Zig.

Having said that, I believe it's just a possible that you made an error in judgement and equally possible that DennyB is lying or recruited. Regarding his claims we are looking at either mere coincedence, a lie, or a bastard mod of some type - I don't think it's the third because that would be way too unbalanced.

We need to have a cultist at the end of a rope before nightfall if we are going to win, period!

I am also suprised that Gonzo wouldn't recognize the current situation as well as the possible ramifications of encouraging a mass claim.

JEROME pulled a stupid move as well, he will be the target as taking him out will result in two deaths or two recruits. He did say that he was a 'lover' and what happens to one happens to the other.
Personally, I think he's more of a 'hater' and just doesn't give a fuck.

Zigmen, nobody else has voted you for any reason which leads me to believe that you were at least the doc when this game started. Hopefully youre still town.

You are going to have to protect JEROME if we are going to have a snowballs chance in Hell of winning this. I'll take my chances regarding you, but you're still looking suspicious to me.

This whole mass claim stuff is bullshit!

I'm back to my original suspect.

unvote; vote Gonzo
I know you've pulled similar things in the past as a townie, inquiring about specials for example, but I would think that you have learned by now not to.

[nellikin]

Could somebody please explain what has happened now? Charlou, who are you subbing in for? I'm totally taken by surprise at your appearance because I though Contra was subbing in for you!

[DennyB]

16.

Magicziggy

/Charlou

[DennyB]

Oops wrong button

Should have been.....
16. Magicziggy/Charlou

[nellikin]

So Charlou is subbing for MZ. Basically - if MZ is scum, then Contra is too. Alternatively, if MZ is town, then Contra was given a town role (but may be a cult member now). Shit, I'm confused.

[charlou]

When the roles had gone out and day one just started I saw contra's comment that he wanted to play and I was thinking I'd rather watch so I asked aza to give him my spot.

When MZ needed a sub and no-one else stepped up, aza asked me .. I'd still rather be watching, but here I am. I'll do my best for town, just as MZ has been.

[nellikin]

Welcome Charlou! I believe you. I don't think MZ would have voted for Contra if they were both scum - too late to be bussing at this stage. And if you were both cult, that wouldn't be happening either, so I have you down as town. Contra is either town or possibly cult, if you're to be trusted.

I'm kinda asking why M apologised to DP. He didn't get lynched, but NKed. Maybe M is the vig/SK?

Can Denny be trusted as seer? I still think "trollfinder general" may just be a term for "seer". Denny can you please give us the exact description of your position?

unvote

I'm gonna go back and analyse the first few days (again)