Ratz Drama Mafia game thread

[M]

Still no Jerome and no DP either. Are people still allowed to use the control panel 'don't show me as on line' thingy when playing this game? Might make a difference if you could see people lurking??

They can but I can still see them, one of the benefits of being staff.

That's an unfair advantage, surely?

Hello, btw.

[gib]

i don't like it either but this isn't really the place to discuss it

[M]

Sure. Sorry.

[oblivion]

zigmen votes Irre -- Irre 1, Callan 0
ani votes Irre -- Irre 2, Callan 0
Adem votes Irre - Irre 3, Callan 0
Irre votes Callan - Irre 3, Callan 1
MZ votes Callan - Irre 3, Callan 2
gib votes Callan - Irre 3, Callan 3 - ties it up
higgs votes Callan - Irre 3, Callan 4 - puts Callan ahead
UT votes Callan - Irre 3, Callan 5
Jerome votes Irre - Irre 4, Callan 5
Oblivion votes Callan - Irre 4, Callan 6
MZ unvotes Callan, votes Ani - Irre 4, Callan 5
Feck votes Callan - Irre 4, Callan 6
DennyB votes Callan - Irre 4, Callan 7
Gonzo votes Callan - Irre 4, Callan 8

[oblivion]

mafia lore is that the 3rd and 4th votes on a bandwagon are the most suspect, especially if the reasons aren't too sound. but, it's not a one-shot, it's a game-pattern of joining nascent bandwagons. and it doesn't work all that well in timed games with people spread over a bunch of time zones.

but given those caveats, we have Adem 3rd on Irre and Jerome 4th on Irre. And gib 3rd on Callan and higgs 4th on Callan.

gib's vote appeared driven by the game day events and his interaction with Callan. I don't think he was hopping a safe bandwagon.

Jerome arrived very late, and didn't contribute much beyond the vote and a weak defense against the reaction he got. This pings, but, it's Jerome. His play always pings.

So that leaves Adem and Higgs. I've only played one game with Adem, and he was a strong presence in the game thread. He was a mason and had a couple other abilities, and he arguably organized town in that game. His play here looks way more tentative, but ratz is new to him and so is the untimed game format. The change in play could be significant, or maybe not.

Higgs on the other hand doesn't appear to be scumhunting all that much so far. And Denny's posts from yesterday didn't look any better when I went back throuh the thread. I need to reread higgs posts in context, I think.

[higgs2]

o god not a ratskep game

You took me out with you, in that ratskep game we played

yeah and that was after i broke the game at the beginning and we had to restart.

[oblivion]

vote oblivion

reason?

[oblivion]

I'm under the impression that both leading bandwagons had scum voters somewhere in them, but we should concentrate on pressuring Callan's jumpers first and foremost.

I agree with this. There at least has to be a few scum on that BW.

Back to.....
Vote M.
Need more input from Him/her.
Still seems a bit scummy to me

This pings. Denny agrees that there are scum on the bandwagon (the one he joined late) and then votes for someone who didn't vote on either bandwagon.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

I jumped off Callan for the reason stated. No more no less.
Pressure all you like.

You were voting for Ani, weren't you? Not very incriminating, imo. What make you think that was specifically directed at you?

I'm under the impression that both leading bandwagons had scum voters somewhere in them, but we should concentrate on pressuring Callan's jumpers first and foremost.

Isn't this stating the bleeding obvious. Scum will want their votes spread around, not congregating. I'd hazard a guess at four scum. Maybe one on Callan, one on Irre and two elsewhere.

Tell me how you will pick who's scum out of that lot.

We should focus on Callan's wagon, that's all I'm suggesting. It's more likely scum voted for her than anyone else. I think we should try pressuring some of those wagoneer's to see how they react. Seeing as that it was started by Irre, a townie, it's probable a few scum piled on to further the pressure.

Where do you propose we start? It will be interesting to see if any new info turns up, but at the moment all we have to go on are yesterday's votes.

Vote Gonzo

How does it help Town to broadcast a Town strategy as you describe? It sounds like you are presenting a warning to Scum. As a Town player you would have no need to broadcast such, you would just do it.

[higgs2]

I jumped off Callan for the reason stated. No more no less.
Pressure all you like.

You were voting for Ani, weren't you? Not very incriminating, imo. What make you think that was specifically directed at you?

I'm under the impression that both leading bandwagons had scum voters somewhere in them, but we should concentrate on pressuring Callan's jumpers first and foremost.

Isn't this stating the bleeding obvious. Scum will want their votes spread around, not congregating. I'd hazard a guess at four scum. Maybe one on Callan, one on Irre and two elsewhere.

Tell me how you will pick who's scum out of that lot.

We should focus on Callan's wagon, that's all I'm suggesting. It's more likely scum voted for her than anyone else. I think we should try pressuring some of those wagoneer's to see how they react. Seeing as that it was started by Irre, a townie, it's probable a few scum piled on to further the pressure.

Where do you propose we start? It will be interesting to see if any new info turns up, but at the moment all we have to go on are yesterday's votes.

Vote Gonzo

How does it help Town to broadcast a Town strategy as you describe? It sounds like you are presenting a warning to Scum. As a Town player you would have no need to broadcast such, you would just do it.

jerome, this is absurd. if he's scum he doesn't need to make a coded warning to scum. this is a bizarre post.

although I'm not sure i agree with him on focusing on one bandwagon exclusively, prolly scum on both.

[DennyB]

zigmen I don't read. Plays his own brand with some confidence. He looks to be genuinely scum hunting.

M, my vote on you is because your actions appear scummy. That's it. Vote Feck, unvote Feck, Don't vote. No explanation.
However, real life affects us all. I was very busy yesterday myself and people noticed my lack of contribution until late in the day.

Voted Feck incorrectly (inexperience), then unvoted Feck because it was incorrect. That's pretty self explanitory.

Not voting at all was an honest cock up. With the Feck thing, I just forgot to re-vote. I'm not going to blame that on not being on line enough because that wouldn't be honest....
it was just a balls up.

However, the lack of explanation was due to time constraints. But look how on the ball I've been this morning! Having said that, I've a meeting at 11.00. Balls.

That said, I stand by my FOS because I think everything I've done wrong is pretty reasonable and you two have made something bigger of it to cover yourselves.

I'll accept that for now.

Unvote M

[higgs2]

mafia lore is that the 3rd and 4th votes on a bandwagon are the most suspect, especially if the reasons aren't too sound. but, it's not a one-shot, it's a game-pattern of joining nascent bandwagons. and it doesn't work all that well in timed games with people spread over a bunch of time zones.

but given those caveats, we have Adem 3rd on Irre and Jerome 4th on Irre. And gib 3rd on Callan and higgs 4th on Callan.

gib's vote appeared driven by the game day events and his interaction with Callan. I don't think he was hopping a safe bandwagon.

Jerome arrived very late, and didn't contribute much beyond the vote and a weak defense against the reaction he got. This pings, but, it's Jerome. His play always pings.

So that leaves Adem and Higgs. I've only played one game with Adem, and he was a strong presence in the game thread. He was a mason and had a couple other abilities, and he arguably organized town in that game. His play here looks way more tentative, but ratz is new to him and so is the untimed game format. The change in play could be significant, or maybe not.

Higgs on the other hand doesn't appear to be scumhunting all that much so far. And Denny's posts from yesterday didn't look any better when I went back throuh the thread. I need to reread higgs posts in context, I think.

and here we are at the part of the game where ob fos's higgs2 for a. not scum hunting b. pinging, c. whatever else.

I do agree with some stuff in your wot, like jerome always pings.

I've heard the lore that the tell is the 2nd and 3rd post in a bw hide scum. lol from a mentor of mine.

gibs has looked p. good to me. I think changing a vote is sometimes simply changing a vote. I was suspicious of him before becouse of the interactions with callan but callan flipping town sheds things in a little different light.

for those who are concerned about my participation level, remember I lost internet access for hours, and then encounted what we call in the us "night" at which time we "sleep".

I prolly should have made this 5 posts to up my post count for gonzo lol.

[DennyB]

I'm under the impression that both leading bandwagons had scum voters somewhere in them, but we should concentrate on pressuring Callan's jumpers first and foremost.

I agree with this. There at least has to be a few scum on that BW.

Back to.....
Vote M.
Need more input from Him/her.
Still seems a bit scummy to me

This pings. Denny agrees that there are scum on the bandwagon (the one he joined late) and then votes for someone who didn't vote on either bandwagon.

OB, I was just trying to get M involved.
It worked I think.

[oblivion]

mafia lore is that the 3rd and 4th votes on a bandwagon are the most suspect, especially if the reasons aren't too sound. but, it's not a one-shot, it's a game-pattern of joining nascent bandwagons. and it doesn't work all that well in timed games with people spread over a bunch of time zones.

but given those caveats, we have Adem 3rd on Irre and Jerome 4th on Irre. And gib 3rd on Callan and higgs 4th on Callan.

gib's vote appeared driven by the game day events and his interaction with Callan. I don't think he was hopping a safe bandwagon.

Jerome arrived very late, and didn't contribute much beyond the vote and a weak defense against the reaction he got. This pings, but, it's Jerome. His play always pings.

So that leaves Adem and Higgs. I've only played one game with Adem, and he was a strong presence in the game thread. He was a mason and had a couple other abilities, and he arguably organized town in that game. His play here looks way more tentative, but ratz is new to him and so is the untimed game format. The change in play could be significant, or maybe not.

Higgs on the other hand doesn't appear to be scumhunting all that much so far. And Denny's posts from yesterday didn't look any better when I went back throuh the thread. I need to reread higgs posts in context, I think.

and here we are at the part of the game where ob fos's higgs2 for a. not scum hunting b. pinging, c. whatever else.

I do agree with some stuff in your wot, like jerome always pings.

I've heard the lore that the tell is the 2nd and 3rd post in a bw hide scum. lol from a mentor of mine.

gibs has looked p. good to me. I think changing a vote is sometimes simply changing a vote. I was suspicious of him before becouse of the interactions with callan but callan flipping town sheds things in a little different light.for those who are concerned about my participation level, remember I lost internet access for hours, and then encounted what we call in the us "night" at which time we "sleep".

I prolly should have made this 5 posts to up my post count for gonzo lol.

and here again you don't scum hunt.

You voted Callan after gib did, and you thought his interaction with her was suspicous?

[higgs2]

I thought she was scummy, didn't look at who else voted really. When I did look at who was on the bw i wondered if gib were busing her as his reasons seemed mild and kind of flip. Or he made a flip comment, can't remember. It wasn't an OMG FOS Gib!! suspicion, it was a hmmm. But there are lots of hmmmms that turn out to be nothing.