Genesis is a myth so....

[devogue]

...why did Jesus have to die for us?

I have more respect for fucktards like Ken Ham and other YEC twats, because they are consistent in their beliefs, right to the bitter, twisted, utterly ridiculous end.

The "moderates" like the Church of England are beneath contempt - they dodge the questions the YECs tackle with lunatic abandon.

The Church of England teaches that Jesus died to redeem us from the catastrophe of Genesis, yet it states that it was a myth.

So Jesus died to redeem us from a fucking myth?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

TO: God
FROM: Yer son.
SUBJECT: Suicide mission

Um, did we really think this one through before going forward with it?

JFC.

[AshtonBlack]

...why did Jesus have to die for us?

I have more respect for fucktards like Ken Ham and other YEC twats, because they are consistent in their beliefs, right to the bitter, twisted, utterly ridiculous end.

The "moderates" like the Church of England are beneath contempt - they dodge the questions the YECs tackle with lunatic abandon.

The Church of England teaches that Jesus died to redeem us from the catastrophe of Genesis, yet it states that it was a myth.

So Jesus died to redeem us from a fucking myth?

And possibly the WHOLE thing is a myth.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

One of the sane people at ATS pointed out that Moses lived 900 "moons" rather than 900 years. That would make him about 70? Anybody know if that translation stands up?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Phil Collins derail moved here.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

One of the sane people at ATS pointed out that Moses lived 900 "moons" rather than 900 years. That would make him about 70? Anybody know if that translation stands up?

Update: Another poster has strongly countered the "moons" theory as that would mean some men would have lived only a few years, 70 "moons" = 5.83 years, hardly long enough to "begat" anybody.

[AshtonBlack]

One of the sane people at ATS pointed out that Moses lived 900 "moons" rather than 900 years. That would make him about 70? Anybody know if that translation stands up?

Update: Another poster has strongly countered the "moons" theory as that would mean some men would have lived only a few years, 70 "moons" = 5.83 years, hardly long enough to "begat" anybody.

Insert Mohamad joke here.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

One of the sane people at ATS pointed out that Moses lived 900 "moons" rather than 900 years. That would make him about 70? Anybody know if that translation stands up?

Update: Another poster has strongly countered the "moons" theory as that would mean some men would have lived only a few years, 70 "moons" = 5.83 years, hardly long enough to "begat" anybody.

Insert Mrs. Mohamad joke here.

[Arse]

...why did Jesus have to die for us?

I have more respect for fucktards like Ken Ham and other YEC twats, because they are consistent in their beliefs, right to the bitter, twisted, utterly ridiculous end.

The "moderates" like the Church of England are beneath contempt - they dodge the questions the YECs tackle with lunatic abandon.

The Church of England teaches that Jesus died to redeem us from the catastrophe of Genesis, yet it states that it was a myth.

So Jesus died to redeem us from a fucking myth?

Why do you prefer the ignorant shitheads who actually do try to damage the rest of civilisation and shove their beliefs down all our throats, over the wishy washy cultural CofE types who don't do any harm?

Is it just moderate Christians that you have this contempt for? Do you prefer Hizb-ut-Tahrir to Mpac? Or Anjem Choudray to Yusuf Islam? If not, why not?

[devogue]

...why did Jesus have to die for us?

I have more respect for fucktards like Ken Ham and other YEC twats, because they are consistent in their beliefs, right to the bitter, twisted, utterly ridiculous end.

The "moderates" like the Church of England are beneath contempt - they dodge the questions the YECs tackle with lunatic abandon.

The Church of England teaches that Jesus died to redeem us from the catastrophe of Genesis, yet it states that it was a myth.

So Jesus died to redeem us from a fucking myth?

Why do you prefer the ignorant shitheads who actually do try to damage the rest of civilisation and shove their beliefs down all our throats, over the wishy washy cultural CofE types who don't do any harm?

Is it just moderate Christians that you have this contempt for? Do you prefer Hizb-ut-Tahrir to Mpac? Or Anjem Choudray to Yusuf Islam? If not, why not?

I didn't say I preferred anyone.

On a purely theological level I said I respected the fundamentalist position for being consistent and honest in its lunacy. I don't respect their beliefs, I abhor them and think they are fucking ridiculous, but I do respect the way they don't hide behind metaphor and myth when it suits.

I think that to take the Jesus story literally there will come a point where a believer has to understand that it is necessary to take the fall of man literally, because to argue that Genesis is mythological causes a huge problem - namely that Jesus, God incarnate, was tortured, died and rose from the dead in reality, in history, for something that wasn't real.

That's what I have contempt for - I hate cherry picking.

[klr]

...why did Jesus have to die for us?

I have more respect for fucktards like Ken Ham and other YEC twats, because they are consistent in their beliefs, right to the bitter, twisted, utterly ridiculous end.

The "moderates" like the Church of England are beneath contempt - they dodge the questions the YECs tackle with lunatic abandon.

The Church of England teaches that Jesus died to redeem us from the catastrophe of Genesis, yet it states that it was a myth.

So Jesus died to redeem us from a fucking myth?

Why do you prefer the ignorant shitheads who actually do try to damage the rest of civilisation and shove their beliefs down all our throats, over the wishy washy cultural CofE types who don't do any harm?

Is it just moderate Christians that you have this contempt for? Do you prefer Hizb-ut-Tahrir to Mpac? Or Anjem Choudray to Yusuf Islam? If not, why not?

I didn't say I preferred anyone.

On a purely theological level I said I respected the fundamentalist position for being consistent and honest in its lunacy. I don't respect their beliefs, I abhor them and think they are fucking ridiculous, but I do respect the way they don't hide behind metaphor and myth when it suits.

I think that to take the Jesus story literally there will come a point where a believer has to understand that it is necessary to take the fall of man literally, because to argue that Genesis is mythological causes a huge problem - namely that Jesus, God incarnate, was tortured, died and rose from the dead in reality, in history, for something that wasn't real.

That's what I have contempt for - I hate cherry picking.

I despise them in different ways for different reasons. The fundamentalist are admirable in their persistence, but they are just completely deluded. It's impossible to reconcile what they believe in with the real world - or with some other of their own beliefs.

The other lot are much easier to live with, even if they are a group of lily-livered cowards who know that they have to reclassify most of scripture as being metaphorical. They do this mainly because they know they can't reconcile the literal version with the real world, and they enjoy the real world too much.

I know a lot of people in column (B), including my own mother. Her own beliefs have become so watered down over the course of her lifetime that it's hard (nay impossible) to believe that she sincerely believes in any of this claptrap anymore.