This seems a bit like going around your ass to get to your elbow, but I do recognize that the law does this all the time.Warren Dew wrote:I agree we come to tort and contract law. As I mentioned earlier, I don't think your desired default is the actual default in the U.S. given statutory law about child support.Seth wrote:Good point. Thanks for finally bringing it up. This means that you are correct in saying that a woman cannot be compelled by another to serve a term of involuntary servitude to gestate a child. But if the State simply makes abortion illegal, then there is no "involuntary servitude" because no requirement is being imposed by another, rather conduct by the woman is being prohibited. That much we know is the case in the law as it exists now. The Supreme Court, in Roe v. Wade said that at some point, the interests of the State in preserving life come into play, and that therefore the individual States are permitted to regulate or ban abortion after the second trimester. This is not seen as imposing "involuntary servitude."
Also, if we now discard the notion that a woman may be compelled by either the father or the State to gestate the child, but leave in place a right to an abortion, we now come to tort law, where the harm to the interests of the father, and the State, become compensable injuries.
I do think that if before having sex, the man says, "if you get pregnant, you're going to abort, right?" and the woman agrees, then the man has a case: more specifically, he should have recourse against the woman for any money damages if she gets pregnant and has a child, which in particular means she can't usefully sue him for child support, since he can countersue for the amount as damages. It seems to me this solves the problems many people are mentioning in most cases, without having to change the present defaults.
The exception comes when the woman simply isn't able to support the child and the taxpayer has to step in - assuming that we're not willing just to let the child starve. In this case, I think it's legitimate for the state to recover child support from the father; the father can try to collect from the mother, but if she's bankrupt, he's out of luck. This is basically equivalent to the counterparty risk in a contract: the father's "contract" with the mother says that the she pays his share of support for the child, but if she can't, he's out of luck; when you agree to a contract, you always take some risk that the other person goes bankrupt and can't deliver. I think this is reasonable because while the father bears less responsibility for the child in this case, the taxpayer bears no responsibility at all, and shouldn't be forced to pay if any of the responsible parties - namely the father and mother - have the money.
The fact that the State can be burdened (at least theoretically) with an unwanted child, and that therefore the State can impose a financial burden on the male, who never agreed to the existence of the child, is not particularly persuasive, given the fact that the child can be given up to the state for adoption by the mother. Why cannot the father "give up for adoption" his share of the financial burden imposed on him against his will and without any right of control by him of the outcome of the pregnancy.
We know that current law DOES impose such burdens on both parents in the interests of the child, but the question here is SHOULD the law do so, or should it be changed to be more equitable to the man, whose sole contribution in the entire transaction could easily be depositing sperm after an invitation to do so by the woman. He loses ALL control after that point, and equity demands that he be absolved of responsibility, and indeed that the State assume his role, if the State is going to permit the pregnancy to proceed and not intervene to prevent the birth of an "unwanted" child.
Perhaps there should some "means testing" in the event of a disputed pregnancy where the father disclaims responsibility, and if the mother is not sufficiently situated to raise the child on her own, the State should compel an early abortion. That's another approach to building some equity into the equation.