Mubarak or the Muslim Brotherhood: who are you rooting for?

[Ian]

Sandinista - I don't suppose you'd care to review how much of Egypt's military is actually of Russian origin...

And when do I ever say "America #1"? That's subjective horseshit if ever I read it. Am I saying so in this thread? No. I just take issue with the fact that you two always, always, ALWAYS say "it's America's fault!"

Because in this situation, IT IS AMERICA'S FAULT!!!

Atheists are supposed to reason better than that.

The US has given military aid to Taiwan for decades. And they've actually become increasingly democratic. With our blessings - we just worry about how China reacts to their politics. Ditto South Korea.

How about: It is Mubarak's fault. Is this a radical thought for you?

[sandinista]

Sandinista - I don't suppose you'd care to review how much of Egypt's military is actually of Russian origin...

And when do I ever say "America #1"? That's subjective horseshit if ever I read it. Am I saying so in this thread? No. I just take issue with the fact that you two always, always, ALWAYS say "it's America's fault!"

Not always, only when it's true. Bet you didn't even watch that link before commenting on it. Simply..."oh, someone says the US is partially responsible for what is happening...must be bullshit because america fucking rules!"

[Rum]

What do people expect!? This is the way strategic politics works! America looks after its interests just as every country does. As an aside I suspect Egypt has done rather well out of the deal compared to how they would have fared if left to their own devices. And to assume that somehow it would be fairer, better, more democratic or just for its people if it had been left to its own devices is simply idealistic poop.

America does support Israel. So what? It has policies in place to do that. These policies arguably have prevented war at least for the last 30 years, now matter how much of a weeping sore that part of the world has become.

[Ian]

Sandinista - I don't suppose you'd care to review how much of Egypt's military is actually of Russian origin...

And when do I ever say "America #1"? That's subjective horseshit if ever I read it. Am I saying so in this thread? No. I just take issue with the fact that you two always, always, ALWAYS say "it's America's fault!"

Not always, only when it's true. Bet you didn't even watch that link before commenting on it. Simply..."oh, someone says the US is partially responsible for what is happening...must be bullshit because america fucking rules!"

Yes I did watch it, and frankly I found it to be biased and dumb. And for the record (since you two can't seem to understand this) I agree that the US is partially responsible. So are more than a few other countries, btw, but of course the forum's Step and Fetch always babble about the evil Americans.

Does your last sentence there really sound like me? If you think so, you might want to read my posts more carefully. You're a Grand Master at reading things that are not there. I have quite a few criticisms of the US, thanks very much - sometimes I even write about them.

[Gawd]

Sandinista - I don't suppose you'd care to review how much of Egypt's military is actually of Russian origin...

And when do I ever say "America #1"? That's subjective horseshit if ever I read it. Am I saying so in this thread? No. I just take issue with the fact that you two always, always, ALWAYS say "it's America's fault!"

Because in this situation, IT IS AMERICA'S FAULT!!!

Atheists are supposed to reason better than that.

The US has given military aid to Taiwan for decades. And they've actually become increasingly democratic. With our blessings - we just worry about how China reacts to their politics. Ditto South Korea.

How about: It is Mubarak's fault. Is this a radical thought for you?

The US has given military "aid" to Israel for decades. And they've actually become increasingly racist. Ian, your point is?

Mubarak would have been overthrown long ago if it were not for the American "aid" that he keeps for himself and shares with his cronies. It is America's fault.

[Warren Dew]

How about: It is Mubarak's fault. Is this a radical thought for you?

If we're saying that the protests are Mubarak's fault, I do have to point out that much of the domestic opposition to him is based on his making peace with Israel and cooperating with the U.S., so there is U.S. participation there. I see you recognize that from your later post, though.

Government corruption also plays a part, though the sources I've found only place Egypt slightly worse than average in that respect. Mubarak's socialist economic policies that result in an underperforming economy probably play a bigger part.

[Gawd]

What do people expect!? This is the way strategic politics works! America looks after its interests just as every country does. As an aside I suspect Egypt has done rather well out of the deal compared to how they would have fared if left to their own devices. And to assume that somehow it would be fairer, better, more democratic or just for its people if it had been left to its own devices is simply idealistic poop.

America does support Israel. So what? It has policies in place to do that. These policies arguably have prevented war at least for the last 30 years, now matter how much of a weeping sore that part of the world has become.

For just as long, the US has enabled the racist policies of Israel and the oppression of Arabs. War would have been better.

[sandinista]

Sandinista - I don't suppose you'd care to review how much of Egypt's military is actually of Russian origin...

And when do I ever say "America #1"? That's subjective horseshit if ever I read it. Am I saying so in this thread? No. I just take issue with the fact that you two always, always, ALWAYS say "it's America's fault!"

Not always, only when it's true. Bet you didn't even watch that link before commenting on it. Simply..."oh, someone says the US is partially responsible for what is happening...must be bullshit because america fucking rules!"

Yes I did watch it, and frankly I found it to be biased and dumb. And for the record (since you two can't seem to understand this) I agree that the US is partially responsible. So are more than a few other countries, btw, but of course the forum's Step and Fetch always babble about the evil Americans.

Does your last sentence there really sound like me? If you think so, you might want to read my posts more carefully. You're a Grand Master at reading things that are not there. I have quite a few criticisms of the US, thanks very much - sometimes I even write about them.

biased and dumb

[Ian]

War would have been better.

Quoted.

[Feck]

I just hope my friends in Egypt are safe and that the country does not end up more Moslem dominated

[Gawd]

I just hope my friends in Egypt are safe and that the country does not end up more Moslem dominated

Yeah, the current secular government of Egypt is so much better.........NOT.

[Gawd]

War would have been better.

Quoted.

Can you fit something about Israel in there? Too out of context?

[Rum]

What do people expect!? This is the way strategic politics works! America looks after its interests just as every country does. As an aside I suspect Egypt has done rather well out of the deal compared to how they would have fared if left to their own devices. And to assume that somehow it would be fairer, better, more democratic or just for its people if it had been left to its own devices is simply idealistic poop.

America does support Israel. So what? It has policies in place to do that. These policies arguably have prevented war at least for the last 30 years, now matter how much of a weeping sore that part of the world has become.

For just as long, the US has enabled the racist policies of Israel and the oppression of Arabs. War would have been better.

Saying war would have been better is possible one of the most despicable things I have ever seen written.

[Feck]

I just hope my friends in Egypt are safe and that the country does not end up more Moslem dominated

Yeah, the current secular government of Egypt is so much better.........NOT.

As he is a coptic christian and she a western career woman I fucking fail to see how a more moslem government will benefit them. As it is the murders and rapes and beatings that are not investigated properly because of the muslem majority in Egypt are worrying enough .

So Yes I DO FUCKING WELL HOPE THE COUNTRY DOES NOT BECOME MORE MUSLEM DOMINATED !

[sandinista]

What do people expect!? This is the way strategic politics works! America looks after its interests just as every country does. As an aside I suspect Egypt has done rather well out of the deal compared to how they would have fared if left to their own devices. And to assume that somehow it would be fairer, better, more democratic or just for its people if it had been left to its own devices is simply idealistic poop.

America does support Israel. So what? It has policies in place to do that. These policies arguably have prevented war at least for the last 30 years, now matter how much of a weeping sore that part of the world has become.

For just as long, the US has enabled the racist policies of Israel and the oppression of Arabs. War would have been better.

Saying war would have been better is possible one of the most despicable things I have ever seen written.

Coming from the the same guy who said "What do people expect!? This is the way strategic politics works! America looks after its interests just as every country does." That statement pretty much defends everything every country has ever done, including war. You're just saying, "Don't criticize any foreign policy decisions, they are simply looking out for their best interests and fuck anyone who gets in their way."