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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:18 pm

There's no point in identifying who molested me, so I'm just going to leave it at that. I doubt the word of a dead guy with no evidence about something that happened over twenty years ago would have much sway.
Still, my feeling is that he should have named his abuser. I see no good reason why this person should get away scot-free. Even if legal action were taken they still deserve at least to have the accusation and suspicion hanging over them for the rest of their lives - if they can live with themselves at all, that is.

This thread's upsetting me. I think I'd better make this my last post in it.


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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by mistermack » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:32 pm

JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:Still, my feeling is that he should have named his abuser. I see no good reason why this person should get away scot-free. Even if legal action were taken they still deserve at least to have the accusation and suspicion hanging over them for the rest of their lives - if they can live with themselves at all, that is.

This thread's upsetting me. I think I'd better make this my last post in it.

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How come everybody believes every word? Do suicidal drama queens always tell the truth? Do they never invent? I'm more inclined to believe the word of rational people, personally.
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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by Cunt » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:02 pm

mistermack wrote:How come everybody believes every word? Do suicidal drama queens always tell the truth? Do they never invent? I'm more inclined to believe the word of rational people, personally.
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Who said they believe every word?

Oh, and what is YOUR (no doubt brilliant) thesis? That he killed himself just to implicate some unnamed person? That he was a loser who couldn't keep up with demands?

You also suggested he was not rational. What do you base that on? His academic success? His programming prowess? A primitive, baseless disrespect for people who choose to end their own lives?
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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:06 am

JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:
There's no point in identifying who molested me, so I'm just going to leave it at that. I doubt the word of a dead guy with no evidence about something that happened over twenty years ago would have much sway.
Still, my feeling is that he should have named his abuser. I see no good reason why this person should get away scot-free. Even if legal action were not* taken they still deserve at least to have the accusation and suspicion hanging over them for the rest of their lives - if they can live with themselves at all, that is.

This thread's upsetting me. I think I'd better make this my last post in it.


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Post by Animavore » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:12 am

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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by mistermack » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:19 am

Nobody has questioned any of it. And in his first paragraph he questions his own rationality. It may all be true, or not. There's no reason to believe it. There is reason to doubt it. It's not unheard of by any means for someone to try to use their suicide to try to hurt someone. It's actually rather common.
Not naming his "tormentor" fits into that mould. A smear is always hard to disprove if it's vague.
In tried and tested systems of justice, you're innocent till proven guilty. There are good reasons for that.
So I don't believe a word of this self indulgent rant, and would require better evidence than the ramblings of a suicide.
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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by Rob » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:54 am

This makes me sad and angry.
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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by hiyymer » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:41 am

Too bad. He needed to talk about it to someone, not to identify the perp but for himself. It's funny but you can't get by the past until you talk about it and share it. Just the way it is.

Suicide makes people uncomfortable.

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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by maiforpeace » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:00 am

Such a well written and eloquent suicide letter. What a brave soul...he did everything he could to live with the life he was given.

How tragic and how sad. The anger I feel towards fundamentalist religion is beyond... :irate: :banghead: :irate: :banghead: :irate:
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Post by Hermit » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:08 am

hiyymer wrote:Suicide makes people uncomfortable.
Actually, it makes them dead, and according to Mistermack, twats.

Seriously, I agree with you. My middle sister's ex-husband's first wife hung herself in the laundry as a result of some side-effects that some medication had on her mental state, the possibility of which was never pointed out to her by the doctor who prescribed it. He told me that almost all of his friends, acquaintances and colleagues deserted him then and there.
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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by maiforpeace » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:23 am

Seraph wrote:
hiyymer wrote:Suicide makes people uncomfortable.
Actually, it makes them dead, and according to Mistermack, twats.

Seriously, I agree with you. My middle sister's ex-husband's first wife hung herself in the laundry as a result of some side-effects that some medication had on her mental state, the possibility of which was never pointed out to her by the doctor who prescribed it. He told me that almost all of his friends, acquaintances and colleagues deserted him then and there.
What kind of friends are those? What a bunch of cowards.

I have a friend who suffers from severe depression. She talks about suicide quite a lot. She has told me that one of the things that has kept her from committing suicide was knowing she could talk to me about it whenever she needed to...openly, without me trying to fix, find a solution, talk her out of it, or pass judgment. I won't deny it's been a challenge to matter of factly discuss with her the details of a particular method of suicide, for example. But my feeling is, if she's going to commit suicide, why shouldn't I at least explore with her less painful, ways of doing it? Why should she travel that road alone when she really wants to have someone with her?
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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by Hermit » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:31 am

maiforpeace wrote:
Seraph wrote:
hiyymer wrote:Suicide makes people uncomfortable.
Actually, it makes them dead, and according to Mistermack, twats.

Seriously, I agree with you. My middle sister's ex-husband's first wife hung herself in the laundry as a result of some side-effects that some medication had on her mental state, the possibility of which was never pointed out to her by the doctor who prescribed it. He told me that almost all of his friends, acquaintances and colleagues deserted him then and there.
What kind of friends are those? What a bunch of cowards.
I prefer to label them "fair-weather friends". That's judgmental enough. Most of them probably preferred to avoid facing up to an extremely unpleasant reality to being useful and a real friend.
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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by hiyymer » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:07 pm

Seraph wrote:
hiyymer wrote:Suicide makes people uncomfortable.
Actually, it makes them dead, and according to Mistermack, twats.

Seriously, I agree with you. My middle sister's ex-husband's first wife hung herself in the laundry as a result of some side-effects that some medication had on her mental state, the possibility of which was never pointed out to her by the doctor who prescribed it. He told me that almost all of his friends, acquaintances and colleagues deserted him then and there.
How could someone "want" to end their life? It's an ugly reminder that "I wanting" is not as real and in control as we think it is. Serial killers are the other one. Monsters, or just brains with a different agenda?

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Post by mistermack » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:54 pm

Seraph wrote:
hiyymer wrote:Suicide makes people uncomfortable.
Actually, it makes them dead, and according to Mistermack, twats.
Not true at all. What gives you the right to put false words in my mouth?
I called this guy a twat. Where did I say that suicide makes people twats?
Having read what he wrote, I said he was a twat.
Only a twat could write that shit. He's a great loss to women's magazines. What a career this fuckin drama queen could have had with Cosmopolitan. You see, I believe that twats can make a real contribution to society, so it's still a shame he's gone.
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Re: Another life poisoned.

Post by Cunt » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:43 pm

Seraph wrote:I prefer to label them "fair-weather friends". That's judgmental enough. Most of them probably preferred to avoid facing up to an extremely unpleasant reality to being useful and a real friend.
I have read stuff like this a bunch of times, and wanted to comment that 'fairweather friends' are good, too.

We may all have one or five CLOSE friends who are willing to let us cry and drip snot on their shoulder - and dozens who would NOT. It doesn't make the dozens bad friends, just different. We all use our friends in varying degrees. One, I use just to exchange a few words of good morning with on weekdays. If her car wouldn't start, I would likely help her with a boost or call a tow truck, but if she needed several hours of my time, I would pass. She still gets much out of the relationship (as much as I do). If she decided to show disdain for such a 'fairweather friend', she would have to look elsewhere for that boost or other bit of help.

'Fairweather friends' might not be as supportive as your very close friends, but they are still vital support.
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