Kingmaker Game Thread

[oblivion]

Without a seer nobody is Cleared , Why would scum kill a king ?

dude, after I fosed you everyone in this thread is arguing that you are cleared because you would never have picked UT or ended day 1 so early if you were scum. How is that not as cleared as a player is going to get in this game?

why would scum want you in the game and not zigmen as the game progresses? who was going to be harder to justify executing?

Mantis OB was cutting it fine to get the order in to execute and Jynx reminded her .

Yeah, I was an hour off, and barely made the 24 hour cut off.

Well it is 'almost as cleared ' but I'm just being honest ,just like it is possible that you bussed Denny or Jynx is trying very very hard to act like town .

I'm not going to say Yeah I'm totally cleared when I'm not, that looks scummy and I'd rather not waste the kings Execute on me when we have a chance to end this .
I hoped you would kill Denny but I wasn't going to put my vote there and be accused of a revenge thing .

Interesting. I picked up that you thought his fos of you was suss, but not to the point where you were hoping I'd kill him.

[Magicziggy]

Interesting. I picked up that you thought his fos of you was suss, but not to the point where you were hoping I'd kill him.

Ok, I'll bite. Why is it interesting?

[oblivion]

Interesting. I picked up that you thought his fos of you was suss, but not to the point where you were hoping I'd kill him.

Ok, I'll bite. Why is it interesting?

At the time, I didn't realize that the fos bothered him that much. I mean, yeah there were a few people who wanted his head after the early execution, but it calmed down pretty quickly except for ani.

[Magicziggy]

I'll be gone for at least 6 hours.
My summary

1.Feck - Day 1 king - executed UT without consulting town. Has to be town as this was too risky a strategy for scum imo.
3.Morticia -awol and a big question mark. But absence could save her if only one scum member left. Her genuine absence would prevent her from putting in a kill order.
6.ScienceRob/magicziggy - me Day 3 king - executed Mono for being scummy. What else can I say, town generally approved.
7.irretating - Hmmm...my pick for today. She's too good to ignore. Can't quite put my finger on what it is about her play that makes me think she might be a baddy. It's a guess at best.
9.oblivion - Day 2 King - executed Denny at last minute. Looks for all money to be town, but looks can be deceptive
10.Gib - don't seem to be around much when gib is around, but has put in some work on zigmen (who really wasn't all here when he was alive and doesn;t even realise he's dead!) Also keen to pursue Oblivion for inconsistencies. Town for me.
12.Animavore; town. Just for his play and making sure Oblivion got the lynch in.
13.Mantisdreamz, your majesty. I will reserve my judgement for tomorrow. Well to be honest, just in case I'm not here, you could be scum as well. But you are like Irre. Unreadable in my eyes.

[oblivion]

I'm leaning toward Irre, too, and it has to do as much as anything with the way she's interacting with me in this game. In other games when she's been town, she's fosed me pretty hard, and in fact sledged me (one of the few people at ratz who will really sink their teeth in when they sledge me - I have to pick fights with most of you ). When town, she doesn't trust me any further than she can kick me, no matter how objectively pro-town I may be playing. It's a pain in the butt. And it's not happening in this game. She foses me, but she doesn't close and grapple. Nor has she closed and grappled with anyone else that I can recall. That is how she played in the Simpsons game -- a little tentative.

My only question is this - has she learned to read me well enough that we don't have to do the test-to-destruction thing every single game?

anyway.

Looking forward to gib's input tomorrow. He's another who is getting mixed reviews. some of us think he's been quite townish, and some think he's scummy. I'm in the townish camp.

Execute today - Irre or Mort

Test some more - mantis, gib, feck (though my gut has been saying Feck and Gib are town since day 2)

Not sure why but I trust MZ is probably town. and Ani/Jynx's making sure I got my execute order in weighs like a town act as does his overall demeanor. If either one of them are scum and town loses, then I'll feel like they earned it.

[Mantisdreamz]

Good food for thought. I'm off to bed for now.

[gib]

Who has Fossed Irre ? is there a link , have people who fossed Irre turned up dead ?


Are you implying I crack under pressure OB ,I think you just insulted me

I can hope.

I think I'm done. this kind of holds together in my mind. and it makes as much sense to me as Irre or Mantis being scum.

we've all pretty much acknowledged that Ani is town. We can consider that he has tried to put at least a little pressure on each king to kill a particular person and end the game day early. does that level of involvement make sense? consider that many players have seemed semi-engaged at best. this game format feeds into a town sense of inevitability and powerlessness. Nothing is in our hands unless we are chosen to be king, so it's apparently easy to just not show up and play much.

What do you mean you are done?

You're wrong about me. But -- are you saying that the powerlessness of this game would cause a player to be more adamant in their say, like Ani has, even though he was wrong ?

I meant I'm done harping on feck. I've convinced myself that he should not be considered cleared. and we should think about the fact that the most cleared, if you will, players are still in the game. NONE of the kings have been knocked off. why would scum do that? why kill people like charlou and zigmen who were credible candidates for execution?

I'm wondering if ani's level of engagement is scummy given the overall town level of engagement. Once again - I'm questioning some of the givens we've worked out so far.

to increase scum's chances of being picked as king? ex kings dont get picked again until the numbers are low

[gib]

I'm intrigued that you can call your own inconsistencies as intentional finesse.

Oh well, moving on. Mantis won't be around for a while. I'm still cooking, and popping in occasionally.
I'd still not touch Ani or Feck today. I'd only lynch Oblivion if her wifom generation about herself continues.
I don't read Irre or Mantis at all.
That leaves gib and Mort.
I think gib has played pro-town. He pursued zigmen over the madness of keeping quiet. He's been all over Oblivion's inconsistencies.
My vote is with Mort. For nothing other than she has not done one thing to help town.
Having said that, it is far more likely to be Mantis or Irre.

ok this struck me as odd but i see you have since shifted to irre

[gib]

My top picks are oblivion (sorry but your continued survival and the choices of NK raise serious doubts and if anyone would bus a scum, it'd be her), mort (because she's not actually contributed anything this game) and gib (because maybe zigmen was right about gib after all, now we know zigmen was town.. plus if he had been made king I suspect he'd have taken out gib).

I have blind spots for feck and mantis, because they tend to be wishywashy all the time (sorry, guys)

I think MZ and jynx are town. MZ, because he came to the game late and because he's been the most pro-town player insofar as listening to town before making a decision. Jynx is playing loose, which is his typical town game.

hey irre when did you start fossing me? seems a bit revengey seeing as i only started to look closely at you right at the end of day 3

[Animavore]

Without a seer nobody is Cleared , Why would scum kill a king ?

Mantis OB was cutting it fine to get the order in to execute and Jynx reminded her .

I think Jynx is town, but let's face it, reminding oblivion to put the execute order in is not pro-town, as such.. no one knew who she'd execute and the odds favoured it being a townie (apologies to your infallibility, ob )

I was considering letting her die at the time because I thought she might be scum but I decided against it at the last minute.

[Magicziggy]

Gib has taken a post by post approach to his contributions, commenting on anything and everything out of the ordinary.
Does he normally do this?
Has he engaged anyone in an exchange because I can't remember.
It would seem to be an easy method of engagement to post when no one else is around, but I could be way off on this.
Just a thought.
Bed.

[gib]

I'm around for the next hour MZ, if you want a spontaneous exchange!

[oblivion]

Who has Fossed Irre ? is there a link , have people who fossed Irre turned up dead ?


Are you implying I crack under pressure OB ,I think you just insulted me

I can hope.

I think I'm done. this kind of holds together in my mind. and it makes as much sense to me as Irre or Mantis being scum.

we've all pretty much acknowledged that Ani is town. We can consider that he has tried to put at least a little pressure on each king to kill a particular person and end the game day early. does that level of involvement make sense? consider that many players have seemed semi-engaged at best. this game format feeds into a town sense of inevitability and powerlessness. Nothing is in our hands unless we are chosen to be king, so it's apparently easy to just not show up and play much.

What do you mean you are done?

You're wrong about me. But -- are you saying that the powerlessness of this game would cause a player to be more adamant in their say, like Ani has, even though he was wrong ?

I meant I'm done harping on feck. I've convinced myself that he should not be considered cleared. and we should think about the fact that the most cleared, if you will, players are still in the game. NONE of the kings have been knocked off. why would scum do that? why kill people like charlou and zigmen who were credible candidates for execution?

I'm wondering if ani's level of engagement is scummy given the overall town level of engagement. Once again - I'm questioning some of the givens we've worked out so far.

to increase scum's chances of being picked as king? ex kings dont get picked again until the numbers are low

yeah, that's what I'm thinking. The specifics of who dies next may be in the context of who they might go after next. Though the next couple of executions probably look pretty predictable atm.

[gib]

to increase scum's chances of being picked as king? ex kings dont get picked again until the numbers are low

yeah, that's what I'm thinking. The specifics of who dies next may be in the context of who they might go after next. [/quote]

not sure i follow

Though the next couple of executions probably look pretty predictable atm.

You think?

[oblivion]

Depends on the king, I guess. I kicked the tires of some of the underlying assumptions last night. The tires kicked back.