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Re: Rape Rampant In US Military

Post by charlou » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:27 am

Anthroban wrote:If such a person had sex forced upon them without their consent it is not rape, it is their fetish played out.
When it's a fetish there's consent involved, thus it's not rape. The term rape fantasy is an oxymoron. It's a pretense and what's going on is completely different to non-consensual sex/rape.

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Post by charlou » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:32 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:So, while I think all instances of rape should be prosecuted, IMHO the article merely cites inflammatory anecdotes to sully the American military as some sort of a craven, lascivious, violent bunch of sex maniacs and everyone from the generals on down to the JAG attorneys laugh off the plight of rape victims while twirling their mustaches. I think such assertions, however, should require a modicum of evidence.
As entertainingly put as that description is, I haven't read anyone making 'such assertions'. Hyperbole isn't helpful on any side.
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Post by Enemy combatant » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:40 am

This is one of those subjects where statistics don't really tell the whole story. I read that .4% of the US population has reported being a victim of rape. I also read that .005% of the US prison population has reported being a victim of rape. Based on the statistics, one would conclude they'd be less likely to be a victim of rape in prison. Maybe it's just a stereotype, but I think I'll stay on the outside.
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Post by Azathoth » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:50 am

I think the key word there is reported. Male rape tends not to be. I'm sure the actual figure is much higher
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Post by Enemy combatant » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:58 am

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Post by JimC » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:14 am

Enemy combatant wrote:giggity
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Post by Hermit » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:28 am

JimC wrote:
Enemy combatant wrote:giggity
:dunno:

:whisper: (this may be some form of young person's talk that is coded so old farts cannot read it...)
Let Google be your friend.

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Re: Rape Rampant In US Military

Post by JimC » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:37 am

Seraph wrote:
JimC wrote:
Enemy combatant wrote:giggity
:dunno:

:whisper: (this may be some form of young person's talk that is coded so old farts cannot read it...)
Let Google be your friend.

I had no idea what it meant either until I looked it up. Turned out to be a waste of time. Now, that is a sure indicator of oldfartness.
I looked at the link, and it made me feel even more ancient than usual... :sighsm: ;)
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Re: Rape Rampant In US Military

Post by Meekychuppet » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:05 am

sandinista wrote:The US military doesn't have the same problem as the rest of the world. What other workplace is like that described in the OP? Attacking the military does not "undermine" the problem. :funny: Insulting rape victims, what a whole slew of bullshit packed into two lines :o
Not really. Unless you can demonstrate that such a workplace makes rape more prevalent, harder to report, prosecute etc, something you have singularly failed to do, then saying it is a military issue trivialises all other occurrences.

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Post by sandinista » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:07 am

Meekychuppet wrote:
sandinista wrote:The US military doesn't have the same problem as the rest of the world. What other workplace is like that described in the OP? Attacking the military does not "undermine" the problem. :funny: Insulting rape victims, what a whole slew of bullshit packed into two lines :o
Not really. Unless you can demonstrate that such a workplace makes rape more prevalent, harder to report, prosecute etc, something you have singularly failed to do, then saying it is a military issue trivialises all other occurrences.

But, America the great evil eh?
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Post by Robert_S » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:09 am

JimC wrote:
Seraph wrote:
JimC wrote:
Enemy combatant wrote:giggity
:dunno:

:whisper: (this may be some form of young person's talk that is coded so old farts cannot read it...)
Let Google be your friend.

I had no idea what it meant either until I looked it up. Turned out to be a waste of time. Now, that is a sure indicator of oldfartness.
I looked at the link, and it made me feel even more ancient than usual... :sighsm: ;)
Which is ironic because there are references in Family Guy that make me feel old explaining them to younger people.
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Post by Meekychuppet » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:32 am

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Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

Rum wrote:Did I leave out being a twat? (With ref to your sig)
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Re: Rape Rampant In US Military

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:37 pm

Enemy combatant wrote:This is one of those subjects where statistics don't really tell the whole story. I read that .4% of the US population has reported being a victim of rape. I also read that .005% of the US prison population has reported being a victim of rape. Based on the statistics, one would conclude they'd be less likely to be a victim of rape in prison. Maybe it's just a stereotype, but I think I'll stay on the outside.
Some stats were running around for many years that 1 in 4 women in college were the victim of rape or attempted rape. Of course, when the questions asked of the women polled were examined closely (the stat originated in a 1982 survey of 3,000 women), the methodology was badly flawed and allowed for drinking too much, having sex, and regretting it later, arguably to be counted among "rapes." And, only 25% of those that were considered to have been raped viewed themselves as having been raped. So, 3 in 4 rape victims, according to the study, are in denial about ever having been raped. And, the "1 in 4" survey found that four in ten of the survey's rape victims, and one in three victims of attempted rape, chose to have intercourse with their so-called attacker again.

Stats in this area are so sketchy that they are almost useless. The bottom line is - all rape is bad, and it should never happen. But, the article in the OP is kind of like the 1 in 4 study, extreme, hyperbolic hype.

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Post by Blondie » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:43 pm

sandinista wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
sandinista wrote:The US military doesn't have the same problem as the rest of the world. What other workplace is like that described in the OP? Attacking the military does not "undermine" the problem. :funny: Insulting rape victims, what a whole slew of bullshit packed into two lines :o
Not really. Unless you can demonstrate that such a workplace makes rape more prevalent, harder to report, prosecute etc, something you have singularly failed to do, then saying it is a military issue trivialises all other occurrences.

But, America the great evil eh?
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Re: Rape Rampant In US Military

Post by sandinista » Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:01 pm

Anthroban wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
sandinista wrote:The US military doesn't have the same problem as the rest of the world. What other workplace is like that described in the OP? Attacking the military does not "undermine" the problem. :funny: Insulting rape victims, what a whole slew of bullshit packed into two lines :o
Not really. Unless you can demonstrate that such a workplace makes rape more prevalent, harder to report, prosecute etc, something you have singularly failed to do, then saying it is a military issue trivialises all other occurrences.

But, America the great evil eh?
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He's just hatin' on you cuz' you be black bro. :damnwhere'sthatKKKsmiley:
No, it's just that the only response a lot of people can give to any criticism, or even discussion of US policy's/culture/history is to fall back on "America the great evil eh" or "Anti-american" or any variation. Short cut to thinking. That's about the time I stop discussing anything with that person. A boring one trick pony. :yawn:
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