The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

[Clinton Huxley]

The 13th Protocol of the ECHR, which has been signed by all EU member states and entered into force on 1 July 2003, commits the member states concerned to permanent abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances

So, to our Merkin cousins, I'm afraid the United States will not be allowed to join the European Union until you abolish the death penalty.

So, you're against us abolishing it then.

Apropos of nothing, a United States of Europe and North America would be quite something...but you'd have to promise to bloody well behave.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The 13th Protocol of the ECHR, which has been signed by all EU member states and entered into force on 1 July 2003, commits the member states concerned to permanent abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances

So, to our Merkin cousins, I'm afraid the United States will not be allowed to join the European Union until you abolish the death penalty.

So, you're against us abolishing it then.

Apropos of nothing, a United States of Europe and North America would be quite something...but you'd have to promise to bloody well behave.

Ayaan has quit saying that to me.

[Clinton Huxley]

I bet Ayaan has to just raise an eyebrow and you cower....

[Coito ergo sum]

The 13th Protocol of the ECHR, which has been signed by all EU member states and entered into force on 1 July 2003, commits the member states concerned to permanent abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances

So, to our Merkin cousins, I'm afraid the United States will not be allowed to join the European Union until you abolish the death penalty.

So, you're against us abolishing it then.

Apropos of nothing, a United States of Europe and North America would be quite something...but you'd have to promise to bloody well behave.

Ironic, since when you blokes had the power, you saw fit to forcibly conquer about 25% of the world's exposed land ...., especially when combined with the French, Spanish, and Dutch empires - about 90% of the world's populations were subjects of European masters.... behave indeed....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I bet Ayaan has to just raise an eyebrow and you cower....

Yeah, sure. Okay.

[Chuck Jones]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

You are right there.

Still, christians - while disapproving of murder, find lots of justifications for not regarding the killing other humans as immoral, and the bible supports them in that.

(Yes, yes, I know, Coito)

Some do, some don't. Not everyone is the same. I'm speaking for myself and anyone else who understands that killing is wrong. I myself am not speaking for all who call themselves christians.

[maiforpeace]

I bet Ayaan has to just raise an eyebrow and you cower....

Yeah, sure. Okay.

CH, you better come to the St. Louis anniversary celebration meetup and see for yourself.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I bet Ayaan has to just raise an eyebrow and you cower....

Yeah, sure. Okay.

CH, you better come to the St. Louis anniversary celebration meetup and see for yourself.

:plot;

[maiforpeace]

I bet Ayaan has to just raise an eyebrow and you cower....

Yeah, sure. Okay.

CH, you better come to the St. Louis anniversary celebration meetup and see for yourself.

:plot;

A death penalty reinactment?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I bet Ayaan has to just raise an eyebrow and you cower....

Yeah, sure. Okay.

CH, you better come to the St. Louis anniversary celebration meetup and see for yourself.

A death penalty reinactment?

"So what's the worst that could happen? Maybe you die a little bit."

[Coito ergo sum]

Maybe he'll just be "mostly dead?"

[Meekychuppet]

Not the only reason, but an effective one, you say capital punishment doesn't reduce crime rates, it certainly prevents the same person from committing that crime again, and the prisons are full of repeat offenders.

I don't care that you disagree with me, but no amount of education will alter a psychopathic or sociopathic personality.

Using the 'offenders' is pointless when discussing capital crimes. Are the prisons full of repeat murderers? I doubt that very much. You've pretty much ignored what I said about higher murder rates in practicing countries and I have explained that capital punishment costs more than imprisonment. Your argument is patent nonsense.

Capital punishment costs more than imprisonment when you allow endless appeals before finally executing the person. A bullet isn't all that expensive, and neither is paying the wages of the person to pull the trigger.

So your solution to the problem is to deny them access to appeal etc, therefore making wrongful, unlawful and cruel executions even more likely. I can see you've really thought this through.

Why limit capital punishment to murder? Rapists, sex offenders, violent criminals, what benefit are any of these people to the rest of us?

I personally don't find you to be of much benefit to the world, but I'm not trying to have ou executed for it. As it happens there was no need for me to post that, because the only case you are capable of making is that you like CP and no amount of reason will change your mind.

You could BE the US justice system incarnate.

[Don't Panic]

Not the only reason, but an effective one, you say capital punishment doesn't reduce crime rates, it certainly prevents the same person from committing that crime again, and the prisons are full of repeat offenders.

I don't care that you disagree with me, but no amount of education will alter a psychopathic or sociopathic personality.

Using the 'offenders' is pointless when discussing capital crimes. Are the prisons full of repeat murderers? I doubt that very much. You've pretty much ignored what I said about higher murder rates in practicing countries and I have explained that capital punishment costs more than imprisonment. Your argument is patent nonsense.

Capital punishment costs more than imprisonment when you allow endless appeals before finally executing the person. A bullet isn't all that expensive, and neither is paying the wages of the person to pull the trigger.

So your solution to the problem is to deny them access to appeal etc, therefore making wrongful, unlawful and cruel executions even more likely. I can see you've really thought this through.

Why limit capital punishment to murder? Rapists, sex offenders, violent criminals, what benefit are any of these people to the rest of us?

I personally don't find you to be of much benefit to the world, but I'm not trying to have ou executed for it. As it happens there was no need for me to post that, because the only case you are capable of making is that you like CP and no amount of reason will change your mind.

You could BE the US justice system incarnate.

Thank you, I've always admired parts of the US justice system, especially Texas.

[Meekychuppet]

Yes we do. But thats what the law was invented for. To police irrationality with reason and fairness. not to kill people for vengeance.

And it's irrational to allow a killer more chances to kill. There's no vengeance in this, it's the best way to handle some criminals.

It's not irrational, since that argument could apply to soldiers, airmen, basically anyone who has ever killed. Killers might kill again.

[Meekychuppet]

Not the only reason, but an effective one, you say capital punishment doesn't reduce crime rates, it certainly prevents the same person from committing that crime again, and the prisons are full of repeat offenders.

I don't care that you disagree with me, but no amount of education will alter a psychopathic or sociopathic personality.

Using the 'offenders' is pointless when discussing capital crimes. Are the prisons full of repeat murderers? I doubt that very much. You've pretty much ignored what I said about higher murder rates in practicing countries and I have explained that capital punishment costs more than imprisonment. Your argument is patent nonsense.

Capital punishment costs more than imprisonment when you allow endless appeals before finally executing the person. A bullet isn't all that expensive, and neither is paying the wages of the person to pull the trigger.

So your solution to the problem is to deny them access to appeal etc, therefore making wrongful, unlawful and cruel executions even more likely. I can see you've really thought this through.

Why limit capital punishment to murder? Rapists, sex offenders, violent criminals, what benefit are any of these people to the rest of us?

I personally don't find you to be of much benefit to the world, but I'm not trying to have ou executed for it. As it happens there was no need for me to post that, because the only case you are capable of making is that you like CP and no amount of reason will change your mind.

You could BE the US justice system incarnate.

Thank you, I've always admired parts of the US justice system, especially Texas.

Once again, you fail to address a rational argument. You're one step away from creationist logic/ You might as well go the whole hog and clap your hands over your eyes and shout 'LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING!'.