The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

[PsychoSerenity]

Why? I see we're avoiding the question of "Why can't a society remove a dangerous person if that's the rational thing to do?"

What avoiding? I addressed that question in both my posts.

Actually I don't reject it for emotional reasons at all; I reject it because, from my understanding of the way modern societies work, it generally makes things worse for everybody, compared with other solutions that we now have.

I'd agree that back in history, or in more primitive cultures, there have been times where the best thing people could do was bring a quick end to the life of someone that would otherwise have killed others - but we should be long past that by now.

We have other solutions now that seem to cause less harm to society in general. I may be wrong about that but it's the only way I can compare it directly. Out of all the possible ways a society could function, I think ones without the death penalty are more likely to be better for everyone.

Anyway I promised myself that I wouldn't get involved in threads like this for a while. I only came in to give stripes a hug. I'm outta here.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No, I've demonstrated that the civilised parts of the world have moved beyond biblically inspired punishments. IMO the death penalty coarsens those societies that practice it, has not been demonstrated to be a deterrent, inevitably suffers from racial bias and carries the risk of perpetrating irreversible miscarriages of justice.

So, you see absolutely no situation where a person could be executed as the best choice for society?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

JOZ, I have killed a lot of people, some of whom might not have deserved it (there was little time for checking). That guy, I have never lost sleep over him. His mother refused to collect his body.

Doesn't change that you seem to take pleasure in it, just as you often glorify violence, and in my book that makes you vile scum.

I inderstand that sometimes violence is justified or even necessary, but it's never desirable.

Where do you get the impression I take pleasure in it, please? Quote?

[sandinista]

JOZ, I have killed a lot of people, some of whom might not have deserved it (there was little time for checking). That guy, I have never lost sleep over him. His mother refused to collect his body.

Doesn't change that you seem to take pleasure in it, just as you often glorify violence, and in my book that makes you vile scum.

I inderstand that sometimes violence is justified or even necessary, but it's never desirable.

Doesn't change anything, oldzilla just likes to bring up that he "killed people" to make him sound like some kind of big man or something. Actually, not even sure what the point is, but he does like to bring it up. Sad, living in the past I suppose. Of course he glorifies violence, look at any of his posts. Violence is generally the answer for people to stupid to come up with an alternative. Of course, I am not in any sense a pacifist, and I do believe violence has its place, but state sanctioned violence is never a good, moral, or intelligent thing.

[Clinton Huxley]

No, I've demonstrated that the civilised parts of the world have moved beyond biblically inspired punishments. IMO the death penalty coarsens those societies that practice it, has not been demonstrated to be a deterrent, inevitably suffers from racial bias and carries the risk of perpetrating irreversible miscarriages of justice.

So, you see absolutely no situation where a person could be executed as the best choice for society?

I think I've made my position clear but please go ahead and invent some kind of contrived crime scenario to try and make me change my mind...

Anyways, I'm off to bed.

[beige]

I do believe violence has its place, but state sanctioned violence is never a good, moral, or intelligent thing.

So who do you propose does have the right to sanction violence?

If it's someone, but never the state, who might it be?

[stripes4]

No, I've demonstrated that the civilised parts of the world have moved beyond biblically inspired punishments. IMO the death penalty coarsens those societies that practice it, has not been demonstrated to be a deterrent, inevitably suffers from racial bias and carries the risk of perpetrating irreversible miscarriages of justice.

So, you see absolutely no situation where a person could be executed as the best choice for society?

I think I've made my position clear but please go ahead and invent some kind of contrived crime scenario to try and make me change my mind...

Anyways, I'm off to bed.

My hero. Sleep well

[sandinista]

No, I've demonstrated that the civilised parts of the world have moved beyond biblically inspired punishments. IMO the death penalty coarsens those societies that practice it, has not been demonstrated to be a deterrent, inevitably suffers from racial bias and carries the risk of perpetrating irreversible miscarriages of justice.

So, you see absolutely no situation where a person could be executed as the best choice for society?

I think I've made my position clear but please go ahead and invent some kind of contrived crime scenario to try and make me change my mind...

Anyways, I'm off to bed.

uhh but, hold on a minute, what if, like someone raped the president, blew up a woman's shelter, and then masturbated on the corpses?

[sandinista]

I do believe violence has its place, but state sanctioned violence is never a good, moral, or intelligent thing.

So who do you propose does have the right to sanction violence?

If it's someone, but never the state, who might it be?

self defense.

[maiforpeace]

No, I've demonstrated that the civilised parts of the world have moved beyond biblically inspired punishments. IMO the death penalty coarsens those societies that practice it, has not been demonstrated to be a deterrent, inevitably suffers from racial bias and carries the risk of perpetrating irreversible miscarriages of justice.

So, you see absolutely no situation where a person could be executed as the best choice for society?

I think I've made my position clear but please go ahead and invent some kind of contrived crime scenario to try and make me change my mind...

Anyways, I'm off to bed.

uhh but, hold on a minute, what if, like someone raped the president, blew up a woman's shelter, and then masturbated on the corpses?

[beige]

self defense.

Fair enough, assuming the force used is appropriate to the situation.

[sandinista]

self defense.

Fair enough, assuming the force used is appropriate to the situation.

[stripes4]

I blame the devil for eating an apple..... or something

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I blame the devil for eating an apple..... or something

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[stripes4]

I blame the devil for eating an apple..... or something

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