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by Gawd » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:01 am
ACLU sues N.J. for keeping Hunterdon salt barn plans confidential
BETHLEHEM TOWNSHIP —The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit against the state after it refused to release the construction plans for a barn used to store road salt, on the basis that doing so would be a security risk.
The salt barn in question is located in rural Bethlehem Township in Hunterdon County.
The lawsuit, filed Monday in Superior Court in Hunterdon County, would compel the state Department of Community Affairs, the agency that maintains state government records, to fulfill an Open Public Records Act request by Carole Chiaffarano, who lives on property next to the barn.
According to the complaint, Chiaffarano suspected that the salt barn was built “according to plans that were not approved by one or more governmental agencies.”
Chiaffarano, whose property is located 38 feet from the barn, had no difficulty in obtaining the plans from Bethlehem Township after filing an OPRA request. She wanted to compare the building plans provided by the township to those on file with the state.
Chiaffarano filed an OPRA request for the state’s building plans, but was denied her request as the state cited a 2002 executive order by Gov. James McGreevey.
The order, issued in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, allows the state to decline the release of public records that would compromise the state’s ability to “protect and defend the state and its citizens against acts of sabotage or terrorism.”
American stupidity has sunk to a new low and American fascism has risen to a new high. Ian, were you the one that did this?
http://mobile.nj.com/advnj/pm_31087/con ... d=t1GhF9nq
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:18 am
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by normal » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:20 am
I didn't read what you posted here, but I think you are, generally speaking, a bit of an idiot

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by Atheist-Lite » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:28 am
American stupidity is yet to come and that is why their corporate fascism is so weak.

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by Robert_S » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:31 am
Normal wrote:I didn't read what you posted here, but I think you are, generally speaking, a bit of an idiot

But I haven't even posted here yet.
And Gawd, you keep away from our quality Merkin salt if you don't want to end up mining it

What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by Robert_S » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:35 am
Kevin wrote:American stupidity is yet to come and that is why their corporate fascism is so weak.

I stay away from corporate fascism, there's so much independent, homegrown fascism of higher quality and artistic merit out there. You have to look for it, but it's worth it.

What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by Hermit » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:38 am
Gawd wrote:American stupidity has sunk to a new low and American fascism has risen to a new high.
Isn't it The
American Civil Liberties Union that filed a suit against the secrecy matter?
Americans dominate a lot of things in the world, but I don't think they have cornered the stupidity market just yet. If you want to highlight stupidity, you'd be a little better off drawing our attention to the legislation in a number of countries -
of which the USA is not one - where publicly casting doubt on the holocaust is a crime that can lead to, in fact has led to people being imprisoned.
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by Atheist-Lite » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:44 am
Seraph wrote:Gawd wrote:American stupidity has sunk to a new low and American fascism has risen to a new high.
Isn't it The
American Civil Liberties Union that filed a suit against the secrecy matter?
Americans dominate a lot of things in the world, but I don't think they have cornered the stupidity market just yet. If you want to highlight stupidity, you'd be a little better off drawing our attention to the legislation in a number of countries -
of which the USA is not one - where publicly casting doubt on the holocaust is a crime that can lead to, in fact has led to people being imprisoned.
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by FBM » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:48 am
Gawd wrote:ACLU sues N.J. for keeping Hunterdon salt barn plans confidential
BETHLEHEM TOWNSHIP —The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit against the state after it refused to release the construction plans for a barn used to store road salt, on the basis that doing so would be a security risk.
The salt barn in question is located in rural Bethlehem Township in Hunterdon County.
The lawsuit, filed Monday in Superior Court in Hunterdon County, would compel the state Department of Community Affairs, the agency that maintains state government records, to fulfill an Open Public Records Act request by Carole Chiaffarano, who lives on property next to the barn.
According to the complaint, Chiaffarano suspected that the salt barn was built “according to plans that were not approved by one or more governmental agencies.”
Chiaffarano, whose property is located 38 feet from the barn, had no difficulty in obtaining the plans from Bethlehem Township after filing an OPRA request. She wanted to compare the building plans provided by the township to those on file with the state.
Chiaffarano filed an OPRA request for the state’s building plans, but was denied her request as the state cited a 2002 executive order by Gov. James McGreevey.
The order, issued in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, allows the state to decline the release of public records that would compromise the state’s ability to “protect and defend the state and its citizens against acts of sabotage or terrorism.”
American stupidity has sunk to a new low and American fascism has risen to a new high. Ian, were you the one that did this?
http://mobile.nj.com/advnj/pm_31087/con ... d=t1GhF9nq
All things considered, that's a pretty fucking absurd story. I'm nonplussed to put myself in a position to look like I'm agreeing with Gawd here, mind you. It's pretty fucking absurd, tho, innit? It's a fucking salt storage barn. What if the terrorists get the top fucking secret plans????? Oh, noes!!!

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by Hermit » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:52 am
Kevin wrote:Seraph wrote:Gawd wrote:American stupidity has sunk to a new low and American fascism has risen to a new high.
Isn't it The
American Civil Liberties Union that filed a suit against the secrecy matter?
Americans dominate a lot of things in the world, but I don't think they have cornered the stupidity market just yet. If you want to highlight stupidity, you'd be a little better off drawing our attention to the legislation in a number of countries -
of which the USA is not one - where publicly casting doubt on the holocaust is a crime that can lead to, in fact has led to people being imprisoned.
Turkeys that vote for christmas are stupid no matter where they reside.

Correct. That's why I am objecting to the label "
American stupidity". I was pointing out that
(a) stupidity is not peculiar to Americans and
(b) in the matter of stupid laws other countries have done worse than the USA.
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:58 am
Seraph wrote:Correct. That's why I am objecting to the label "American stupidity". I was pointing out that
(a) stupidity is not peculiar to Americans and
(b) in the matter of stupid laws other countries have done worse than the USA.
"American" equals "evil/stupid/criminal". No discrimination or qualification, everything is black and white, no further thought required.
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by Hermit » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:01 pm
Gawdzilla wrote:"American" equals "evil/stupid/criminal". No discrimination or qualification, everything is black and white, no further thought required.
Wow, Gawdzilla! I never thought you were
that stupid!

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by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:03 pm
Seraph wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:"American" equals "evil/stupid/criminal". No discrimination or qualification, everything is black and white, no further thought required.
Wow, Gawdzilla! I never thought you were
that stupid!

:sighsm: I was mocking Gawd's attitude.
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by Hermit » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:21 pm
Gawdzilla wrote:Seraph wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:"American" equals "evil/stupid/criminal". No discrimination or qualification, everything is black and white, no further thought required.
Wow, Gawdzilla! I never thought you were
that stupid!

:sighsm: I was mocking Gawd's attitude.
No kidding?

Who would've thunk it?

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by mistermack » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:35 pm
Gawdzilla wrote:everything is black and white, no further thought required.
There's many a true word spoken in jest. I think we just had a glimpse of the real Gawdzilla there.
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