Mystery solved. How and why human ancestors became upright.

[mistermack]

So one moment it proves your point, the next it's obviously rubbish because it contradicts you? Incidentally, did you read the part where the observer pointed out that the leopard had to play dead for hours otherwise it would have been killed?

Well the leopard may have convinced the observer, but it obviously didn't fool the baboons, because they would have torn it to bits if they thought it was dead. It seems that baboons are more in-touch with reality than the observer, or you.

Unreadable? Because the page didn't show or because you were unable to read it?

I was unable to read it. It came up as a small box in the bottom right-hand corner, where you could only read a tiny bit at a time. I ain't got the patience for that.

I mean, this amazing announcement should be imminent right?

Not without hard evidence, which is unlikely to come.
A hypothesis is just an idea. You can quote circumstantial evidence that points in the same direction, but it remains hypothetical without direct evidence.
Not that that stopped people including "Savannah Theory" in textbooks, purely on circumstantial evidence, which was later discredited.
I didn't hear screams of protest about that at the time.
To me, it's just a talking point, without strong evidence.

[Ilovelucy]

So one moment it proves your point, the next it's obviously rubbish because it contradicts you? Incidentally, did you read the part where the observer pointed out that the leopard had to play dead for hours otherwise it would have been killed?

Well the leopard may have convinced the observer, but it obviously didn't fool the baboons, because they would have torn it to bits if they thought it was dead. It seems that baboons are more in-touch with reality than the observer, or you.

Are you the Dr Doolittle of the primate and hominid world? You seem to be remarkably astute about their inner workings.

Unreadable? Because the page didn't show or because you were unable to read it?

I was unable to read it. It came up as a small box in the bottom right-hand corner, where you could only read a tiny bit at a time. I ain't got the patience for that.

It was a page from a human evolution textbook. You only had to read the little bit. Have you not been on Google Books before? Or can you read the books completely by glancing at them in the same way you can read the minds of baboons?

I mean, this amazing announcement should be imminent right?

Not without hard evidence, which is unlikely to come.
A hypothesis is just an idea. You can quote circumstantial evidence that points in the same direction, but it remains hypothetical without direct evidence.
Not that that stopped people including "Savannah Theory" in textbooks, purely on circumstantial evidence, which was later discredited.
I didn't hear screams of protest about that at the time.
To me, it's just a talking point, without strong evidence.

We can infer that Neanderthals and other species of humans because of some of the marks on bones of their prey. Otherwise, we have plenty of theories about bipedalism, for instance the Ardipithecus ramidus specimen that was unveiled last year gave credence to the idea that bipedalism evolved within a forest environment, and that carrying and foraging for fruit was a contributory factor. I'm not sure how any of your ideas, supported or not, concerning sticks shed any light on this.

[mistermack]

We can infer that Neanderthals and other species of humans because of some of the marks on bones of their prey. Otherwise, we have plenty of theories about bipedalism, for instance the Ardipithecus ramidus specimen that was unveiled last year gave credence to the idea that bipedalism evolved within a forest environment, and that carrying and foraging for fruit was a contributory factor.

WTF? Like what chimpanzees were doing, and are still doing now? It seems to have had little effect on chimps.
I see what you're up to now. You're deliberately talking bollocks just to get me going. I'm not falling for it any more, I'm going to leave you to it. Bye.

[Ilovelucy]

We can infer that Neanderthals and other species of humans because of some of the marks on bones of their prey. Otherwise, we have plenty of theories about bipedalism, for instance the Ardipithecus ramidus specimen that was unveiled last year gave credence to the idea that bipedalism evolved within a forest environment, and that carrying and foraging for fruit was a contributory factor.

WTF? Like what chimpanzees were doing, and are still doing now? It seems to have had little effect on chimps.
I see what you're up to now. You're deliberately talking bollocks just to get me going. I'm not falling for it any more, I'm going to leave you to it. Bye.

Well the bollocks get's even more interesting. Aripithecus ramidus is also very close the split between humans and chimps, bringing the possibility that knuckle wallking in chimps evolved after the split. It is worth remembering that chimps are just as evolved in their own sense as we are. We have no reason to believe the common ancestor was like a chimp, as we have no reason to believe it was like a human. The papers on Ardi can actually be downloaded from the Science magazine website for free. http://www.sciencemag.org/site/feature/ ... ipithecus/

Go on, read something on the subject, I dare ya!

[Trolldor]

End of Story. Fin. We got closure.

The bullshit chicken then? The Mad Bullshitter? Actually, that's not bad.
But you are chicken, so I suppose the bullshit chicken it will have to be.
.

That would be clever if... well, if it were at all intelligent.
Unfortunately at your age I don't think there's room for Improvement, just a colostomy bag and continued ignorance.

[mistermack]

End of Story. Fin. We got closure.

The bullshit chicken then? The Mad Bullshitter? Actually, that's not bad.
But you are chicken, so I suppose the bullshit chicken it will have to be.
.

That would be clever if... well, if it were at all intelligent.
Unfortunately at your age I don't think there's room for Improvement, just a colostomy bag and continued ignorance.

Is that all you've got to be proud of? Your date of birth? Well, all I can say is, well done! Jolly well done! You certainly chose a good date there!
I really made a mess of being born, but you held on and did a great job.

[Trolldor]

It's not my date of birth that's the issue here.
It's that you don't have any evidence, repeatedly fail to produce any, dismiss demonstrable and supported theories without citing any evidence just 'assumed knowledge' and unsubstantiated assertions, and carry on like your colostomy bag is leaking.

As such, you are getting precisely what you deserve.

[mistermack]

It's not my date of birth that's the issue here.
It's that you don't have any evidence, repeatedly fail to produce any, dismiss demonstrable and supported theories without citing any evidence just 'assumed knowledge' and unsubstantiated assertions, and carry on like your colostomy bag is leaking.

As such, you are getting precisely what you deserve.

I did think my colostomy bag was leaking just now, but it turned out to be another of your witty posts.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Boring.

[mistermack]

Boring.

Well, do something then.

[Trolldor]

It's not my date of birth that's the issue here.
It's that you don't have any evidence, repeatedly fail to produce any, dismiss demonstrable and supported theories without citing any evidence just 'assumed knowledge' and unsubstantiated assertions, and carry on like your colostomy bag is leaking.

As such, you are getting precisely what you deserve.

I did think my colostomy bag was leaking just now, but it turned out to be another of your witty posts.

And another attempt. You'll leave me bruised if you keep waving that thing around.

[Feck]

Anyways, the most bad-ass technology is still agriculture. Without it we'd still be throwing rocks and/or spears at leopards.

Agriculture arose because we had to ...it wasn't am improvement on our hunter gather life style it was a response to overpopulation it signalled a massive drop in longevity and increase in death by disease and IMHO was generally the beginning of the end for our species .

[Trolldor]

Maybe.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Boring.

Well, do something then.

At this point the only logical thing to do is insult everybody and kill the dog.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Anyways, the most bad-ass technology is still agriculture. Without it we'd still be throwing rocks and/or spears at leopards.

Agriculture arose because we had to ...it wasn't am improvement on our hunter gather life style it was a response to overpopulation it signalled a massive drop in longevity and increase in death by disease and IMHO was generally the beginning of the end for our species .

So we live longer and there are more of us here at the end?