Chavettes

[Feck]

I'm not pro Thatch so don't worry about ranting.

But there were just as many unemployed in the 70s no?

Making it easy to live on benefits doesn't sound like a tory thing either.

They reworked the benefit system so they could claim there were a million less unemployed than there were !

They closed almost all the industry in the country and turned the whole fucking country into a service economy for the south east so the 'city' could profit they sold out out everything Britain was good at for quick booms in the financial sector because it got them voted in again .Now the bubble has burst they are blaming a generation of disenfranchised people for costing too much to keep .

[gib]

I'm not pro Thatch so don't worry about ranting.

But there were just as many unemployed in the 70s no?

Making it easy to live on benefits doesn't sound like a tory thing either.

They reworked the benefit system so they could claim there were a million less unemployed than there were !

Yes

They closed almost all the industry in the country and turned the whole fucking country into a service economy for the south east so the 'city' could profit

Kinda agree here too. It's much harder to find a job outside the home counties.

they sold out out everything Britain was good at for quick booms in the financial sector because it got them voted in again .Now the bubble has burst they are blaming a generation of disenfranchised people for costing too much to keep .

Yes the bankers fucked things up and the current gov aims to balance the books by cutting benefits, sure.

So how does that mean Thatch >>> chavs?

There have been people on the dole for as long as i can remember. Why did they start acting chavvy in the 1990s?

[Robert_S]

From what I gather, Thatcher's policies ended up destroying/debasing whole communities and creating a large base of people without any hope for getting ahead within society.

[Feck]

Gib , Chavs are just the result of Parents who never had a stake in Society ,It's not like there weren't delinquents before the '80's

[gib]

Gib , Chavs are just the result of Parents who never had a stake in Society ,It's not like there weren't delinquents before the '80's

Sure. It's just that when i was growing up no one felt the need to invent socially disparaging terms like 'chav' or 'scratter' to describe them.

[gib]

From what I gather, Thatcher's policies ended up destroying/debasing whole communities and creating a large base of people without any hope for getting ahead within society.

Well that's certainly true of many northern towns and cities, as well as parts of Wales etc etc etc. But i live in a nice town 30 miles from London and we have chavs a plenty. I'm really not seeing a 'debased community' as the explanation round here.

[Mallardz]

I live in southend (safe-end) more than half the people are in the chav category. Makes me want to cry.

[Santa_Claus]

when i was growing up no one felt the need to invent socially disparaging terms like 'chav' or 'scratter' to describe them.

But we had Pakis and Spastics.

I wonder what happened to them?

[gib]

I live in southend (safe-end) more than half the people are in the chav category. Makes me want to cry.

biggin up the sarfend massive! big shout out from chompsford here!

[gib]

when i was growing up no one felt the need to invent socially disparaging terms like 'chav' or 'scratter' to describe them.

But we had Pakis and Spastics.

I wonder what happened to them?

People bang on about pakis all the time. Where have you been?

Like the red squirrel, the classic brit word 'spastic' has been the unfortunate victim of a more successful american species, namely 'retard'.

[Rum]

One thing that Thatcher and the era did was erode the deference people felt for professionals and experts and indeed the intelligentsia. It was the age in which teachers, doctors, lawyers and the rest were suddenly just 'ordinary'. 'Respect', that loaded word, was not something anyone need feel for anyone. Thatcher had a large part in that better or worse as she and the Tories of the time challenged vested interests as they saw them.

The 'underclass' it seems to me originated at that point as well in the UK. These were and are people who feel unabashed and unashamed of their ignorance, indeed have a right to their ignorance, no idea what they don't know and a belief that nobody is 'better' than them. That self centredness, self indulgence and self absorption are simply the norm and the way to be.

[Santa_Claus]

Oh the irony............

[Rum]

Oh the irony............

Quite so.

[Svartalf]

My favorite tale doing the rounds (probably a myth but still funny): Overheard conversation in a department store jewelry section, "Scuse me mate, 'ave yous got any o' them crosses wi' little fella on?".

Don't you know? Lowbrows can't use words with more than two syllables, and 'crucifix' has three.

[Svartalf]

Rum - totally agree with you, it's so hard to not be judgemental but boy is it hard, especially when they're gathered in a pack, each one barely 20, with a baby in a buggy, a toddler tethered to the buggy with reins, pregnant and puffing on a cigarette.

I can't help but feel sorry for little Chiabatta and Chlamydia, raised on nothing more than Greggs dummies.


For anyone outside the UK reading this post, it is actually written in english

well, what are greggs dummies? a brand of pacifier?