Naughty Naughty Americans

[Trolldor]

I wonder how many people realise how dangerous a place like Wikileaks is.

[sandinista]

Sandinista wrote:

Their economy depends on it, war/terror economy.

You could be implying 2 things here:

1. That the US gets such a huge amount of money from its arms sales (to overseas countries, that is) that it is economically dependent on them. I don't think so...
2. That the military objectives of the US are designed to aid its own economic advantage, perhaps by intimidation of rivals, seizure of vital materials etc. This is a more traditional leftist argument, the whole "Iraq is because of the oil" argument. However, even though all countries will use what power they have for their own self interest, it is a gross exaggeration to say that the American economy depends on exerting military force. It may well be that a world-wide naval prescence is a vital tool in keeping sea-lanes open for trade (and not just their own...), but this is surely a legitimate use of military power in anyone's book.

If anything, America's more recent, contentious miliary adventures (Iraq. mainly) have been a significant drag on their economy, rather than vital to it...

Think a little bigger. How many people are employed by the military in the US? How many jobs are military related? Now, I'm not just talking pawns/soldiers, look at weapons manufacturers, contractors, researchers, CIA employees, and all the other support staff. When the US can NOT be at war for a decade and close all their overseas bases I'll believe that their economy doesn't run on terrorism. To say that the recent bouts of US terror have been a drag on the "economy" is also only partly true. The rich are doing better than ever, and the weapons manufacturers and companies that sell them the oil to run the war machines are right pleased.

That's not bigger, that's thinking wrong.

you are out there There are always some posters whose disagreement is welcomed and actually strengthens an argument. You are on of those, cheers!

[sandinista]

I wonder how many people realise how dangerous a place like Wikileaks is.

can't even believe I'm asking this, for humors sake I suppose. Why is it dangerous?

[Coito ergo sum]

How about the Americunts just stop being the school bully on the international scene? Then, you won't have worry about people learning what you actually do. I'm interested to hear what the cables have to say about Israel.

Nothing I've heard so far about these cable is anything most other countries don't do.

You think they don't spy and investigate? Please....

[Coito ergo sum]

Easy to paint America is the big bad evil man until you realise you shot down the only 'international bully' left who actually practiced democracy in its own borders...

I don't think those are necessarily connected unless you apply a "Love it or Leave it" type of mentality. America can surely always improve. But without criticism or protest of any kind, it likely won't.

Very true. To Americans, we sometimes feel as if we are subjected to greater scrutiny and held to different standards. That's the impression often left, anyway.

[Coito ergo sum]

Easy to paint America is the big bad evil man until you realise you shot down the only 'international bully' left who actually practiced democracy in its own borders. Who's leaders, and thus policies, could be changed by its own people not through force of arms but through ballot.

Funny thing, the USA is always at war.

It's sad but it's true, there hasn't been a single decade in the history of America since WWII that we didn't get involved in one conflict or another, George Orwell had it right, it doesn't matter if the war is with Eurasia or Eastasia, just as long as there is a war going on to distract the proles.

The history of mankind is war.

When has Europe not been at war or involved in wars?

What about Great Britain and France?

[Coito ergo sum]

There is a massive disconnect between the huge level of embarrassment such revelations cause, and the almost ludicrous lack of security involved in these soon-to-be-leaked communiques...

Couldn't someone in the State Department understand, just a little about calculations of potential risk?

Why hide it? What do you have to hide that people can't know?

Confidential communications from enemies. Intelligence information. Strategies, sources, and methods.

[sandinista]

There is a massive disconnect between the huge level of embarrassment such revelations cause, and the almost ludicrous lack of security involved in these soon-to-be-leaked communiques...

Couldn't someone in the State Department understand, just a little about calculations of potential risk?

Why hide it? What do you have to hide that people can't know?

Confidential communications from enemies. Intelligence information. Strategies, sources, and methods.

blah blah blah. Sorry Coito, but your last few posts have been bollocks. "The history of mankind is war." fuck man, the history of mankind is a lot of stupid things, doesn't make it 1. right or 2. inevitable. The more leaks the better.

[Trolldor]

I wonder how many people realise how dangerous a place like Wikileaks is.

can't even believe I'm asking this, for humors sake I suppose. Why is it dangerous?

If you don't see what's the point in telling you?

You obviously see no problem with power conslidated in to a single body run by a megolmaniac.

[sandinista]

I wonder how many people realise how dangerous a place like Wikileaks is.

can't even believe I'm asking this, for humors sake I suppose. Why is it dangerous?

If you don't see what's the point in telling you?

You obviously see no problem with power conslidated in to a single body run by a megolmaniac.

[Trolldor]

It's okay, you're a socialist. You thrive off megolomaniacs.

[sandinista]

It's okay, you're a socialist. You thrive off megolomaniacs.

come on...one more time...third time might be the charm...megolmaniac? megolomaniacs? give it another go.

[Coito ergo sum]

There is a massive disconnect between the huge level of embarrassment such revelations cause, and the almost ludicrous lack of security involved in these soon-to-be-leaked communiques...

Couldn't someone in the State Department understand, just a little about calculations of potential risk?

Why hide it? What do you have to hide that people can't know?

Confidential communications from enemies. Intelligence information. Strategies, sources, and methods.

blah blah blah. Sorry Coito, but your last few posts have been bollocks. "The history of mankind is war." fuck man, the history of mankind is a lot of stupid things, doesn't make it 1. right or 2. inevitable. The more leaks the better.

I never said it was right or inevitable. I'm just not prepared to have the US singled out on things about which most other countries are just as guilty.

[sandinista]

Wha??? MOST countries are just as guilty of invading, bombing and occupying other countries in the last, say 50-60 years. Are you joking? You must even know that is utter bullshit. The US is rightly singled out.

[Trolldor]

It's okay, you're a socialist. You thrive off megolomaniacs.

come on...one more time...third time might be the charm...megolmaniac? megolomaniacs? give it another go.

Sorry, I'm busy doing more important things.

Hey, before you start commenting on someone's grammar you might want to check your own as well.

Your keyboard has a shift key for a reason.