New US strike capability - Falcon

[Trolldor]

a story that appears mysteriously and spreads spontaneously in various forms and is usually false; contains elements of humor or horror and is popularly believed to be true

I see no difference between 'urban legend' and 'conspiracy'.

coming from the most deluded person on this forum...sorry zilla, but MH beats you out.

lol. Coming from a socialist.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"urban legends" like the woman who boiled her brain in a microwave...thats an "urban legend", US military black ops/conspiracies/lies etc are NOT. Get it together.

Ya'll jist uh garden-variety conspiracy theorist, Sandy V. Ain't no tellin' them folks anything, they's got their mind-replacements made up and all.

[sandinista]

a story that appears mysteriously and spreads spontaneously in various forms and is usually false; contains elements of humor or horror and is popularly believed to be true

I see no difference between 'urban legend' and 'conspiracy'.

Doesn't surprise me you tend to have problems with words.

"urban legends" like the woman who boiled her brain in a microwave...thats an "urban legend", US military black ops/conspiracies/lies etc are NOT. Get it together.

Ya'll jist uh garden-variety conspiracy theorist, Sandy V. Ain't no tellin' them folks anything, they's got their mind-replacements made up and all.

yah...a "conspiracy theorist" any other lame attempts at labeling? That's original.

[drl2]

I'm totally opposed to this unless they build one for me to control from home.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

a story that appears mysteriously and spreads spontaneously in various forms and is usually false; contains elements of humor or horror and is popularly believed to be true

I see no difference between 'urban legend' and 'conspiracy'.

Doesn't surprise me you tend to have problems with words.

"urban legends" like the woman who boiled her brain in a microwave...thats an "urban legend", US military black ops/conspiracies/lies etc are NOT. Get it together.

Ya'll jist uh garden-variety conspiracy theorist, Sandy V. Ain't no tellin' them folks anything, they's got their mind-replacements made up and all.

yah...a "conspiracy theorist" any other lame attempts at labeling? That's original.

*pat, pat, pat*

[sandinista]

a story that appears mysteriously and spreads spontaneously in various forms and is usually false; contains elements of humor or horror and is popularly believed to be true

I see no difference between 'urban legend' and 'conspiracy'.

Doesn't surprise me you tend to have problems with words.

"urban legends" like the woman who boiled her brain in a microwave...thats an "urban legend", US military black ops/conspiracies/lies etc are NOT. Get it together.

Ya'll jist uh garden-variety conspiracy theorist, Sandy V. Ain't no tellin' them folks anything, they's got their mind-replacements made up and all.

yah...a "conspiracy theorist" any other lame attempts at labeling? That's original.

*pat, pat, pat*

one trick pony at it again boooring.

[GreyICE]

It's being called a conspiracy theory that the US military has black programs?

What the fuck? I mean are you fucking shitting me? Is there any rock-brained fool on this planet who thinks the US military doesn't have black programs?

This is so fucking stupid...

[sandinista]

What the fuck? I mean are you fucking shitting me? Is there any rock-brained fool on this planet who thinks the US military doesn't have black programs?

some people on this forum. Not shitting you.

[JimC]

It's being called a conspiracy theory that the US military has black programs?

What the fuck? I mean are you fucking shitting me? Is there any rock-brained fool on this planet who thinks the US military doesn't have black programs?

This is so fucking stupid...

Well, yes they do have black programs, but the significance of this may be somewhat less than you imagine...

[GreyICE]

It's being called a conspiracy theory that the US military has black programs?

What the fuck? I mean are you fucking shitting me? Is there any rock-brained fool on this planet who thinks the US military doesn't have black programs?

This is so fucking stupid...

Well, yes they do have black programs, but the significance of this may be somewhat less than you imagine...

Um, what? Are we arguing that the US usually develops aircraft OUTSIDE of black programs? The ATB program was started in 1979. The B-2 went public in 1988. The "Hopeless Diamond" (the F-117 Nighthawk, the ugliest aircraft ever made) was prototyped in the 70s, and went public in the late 80s as a buildup to Gulf War I (It was our 'big trump card' not that it did anything).

Hell, the F-22 and the B-1 are like two of our only aircraft that were developed outside of black programs. And the B-1 is just a bloody huge B-52.

We have articles in the NYT about our black programs: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/01/science/01patc.html

I mean seriously, this is the equivalent of having an argument over whether Al Capone was a legit businessman or not.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's being called a conspiracy theory that the US military has black programs?

What the fuck? I mean are you fucking shitting me? Is there any rock-brained fool on this planet who thinks the US military doesn't have black programs?

This is so fucking stupid...

Well, yes they do have black programs, but the significance of this may be somewhat less than you imagine...

And a lot of them. But Aurora wasn't one of them. That myth has been followed back to its source and its just a laugh. But conspiracy theorists aren't deterred by facts, it's not about the overt issue to begin with.

[Clinton Huxley]

See, the RN should have just provided the newspapers with pictures of what HMS Dreadnought looked but not actually built the damned thing. Much cheaper

[GreyICE]

It's being called a conspiracy theory that the US military has black programs?

What the fuck? I mean are you fucking shitting me? Is there any rock-brained fool on this planet who thinks the US military doesn't have black programs?

This is so fucking stupid...

Well, yes they do have black programs, but the significance of this may be somewhat less than you imagine...

And a lot of them. But Aurora wasn't one of them. That myth has been followed back to its source and its just a laugh. But conspiracy theorists aren't deterred by facts, it's not about the overt issue to begin with.

The "Aurora" has many sources. It's at this point a catchall term for rumors about the US Airforce's hypersonic spy plane/bomber. It's more than likely that several programs have been lumped together under that moniker, including the B-2 Spirit, the "Stealth Bomber" (which was most likely the actual "Code name Aurora" way back when). If you think the B-2 doesn't exist, it would be reasonably happy to dissuade you.

If they'd be really nice and declassify the names of all of their black programs, people interested in monitoring the US government's black programs could try and slot each rumor into each code name to make the entire process much more readable. Until then, the unfortunate fact is that wild conjecture, reasonably solid information, and damn near certain fact gets lumped into the same moniker, with the additional misfortune that one program may be spread out over several monikers, or several programs may be lumped under one moniker.

In any case, it seems virtually certain that outside of the Falcon program, they've been working on a prompt global strike bomber. To me, this announcement signifies that they're nearing the mass production stage. Prompt Global Strike is not a capacity you declassify until you're damn sure that its working - even for the US military, it's damn controversial. The only other prompt global strike weapon in our arsenal is an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (which is not the best delivery vehicle).

[Trolldor]

I'm sure it does seem almost certain.

But it would be nice if there were evidence.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

GreyICE, making shit up doesn't count as evidence.