The reality of UK government cuts

[Meekychuppet]

Fucking hell you are charmer and you are talking bollocks.

I thank you

How about you attack the bankers who got us in this shit in the first place

The Bankers were one of the enablers, but not the underlying cause. Life is too short to explain, as those who haven't grasped the basics this far into the economic restructuring of the UK (it's not a recession or a depression - both meaningless terms) have clearly chosen ignorance. and nothing wrong with that - because fook all you can do about it anyway

instead of teaching assistants who are loosing their jobs at our local school. Meals on wheels are being cut, support for pensioners and the poor are being hit in York. Like Rum our council is cutting 600 jobs, jobs that make life bearable for a lot of folk.

I may (or may not) agree with you that the Council does stuff that people need. But hard truth is ain't the money to go on paying for a wish list of nice things (leaving aside whether (?!!) done efficiently). Unless you have the cash spare? I don't.

there seem to be plenty of bullshitters here lately. 'It' is not called a recession or depression because we are in a period of growth. Growth has come at the expense of jobs and services, but it's still growth.

As for you protestations about cash, it's there alright. Last year corporations dodged 80 billion in tax. There's your deficit right there. The money is always there. It's simply not in the right hands. Your posts are simply ignorant nonsense. Bullshit asserted confidently is still bullshit.

[Pensioner]

Fucking hell you are charmer and you are talking bollocks.

I thank you

How about you attack the bankers who got us in this shit in the first place

The Bankers were one of the enablers, but not the underlying cause. Life is too short to explain, as those who haven't grasped the basics this far into the economic restructuring of the UK (it's not a recession or a depression - both meaningless terms) have clearly chosen ignorance. and nothing wrong with that - because fook all you can do about it anyway

instead of teaching assistants who are loosing their jobs at our local school. Meals on wheels are being cut, support for pensioners and the poor are being hit in York. Like Rum our council is cutting 600 jobs, jobs that make life bearable for a lot of folk.

I may (or may not) agree with you that the Council does stuff that people need. But hard truth is ain't the money to go on paying for a wish list of nice things (leaving aside whether (?!!) done efficiently). Unless you have the cash spare? I don't.

there seem to be plenty of bullshitters here lately. 'It' is not called a recession or depression because we are in a period of growth. Growth has come at the expense of jobs and services, but it's still growth.

As for you protestations about cash, it's there alright. Last year corporations dodged 80 billion in tax. There's your deficit right there. The money is always there. It's simply not in the right hands. Your posts are simply ignorant nonsense. Bullshit asserted confidently is still bullshit.

Well said Meeky.

[Meekychuppet]

Santa, even if you do have valid or correct points, maybe it's a 'time and a place' issue. Maybe when someone gets bad news they need just 24 hours before someone starts giving them the full economic reality check? Jus' sayin....

I thought Rum had been banging on about the "surprise" cuts for quite a while. Can't remember exactly who he was blaming, but pretty sure it was "someone else"

On your news, I suspect you have the wit to deal with it and move on.

More shite. The cuts have been announced by the chancellor. That doesn't mean he has been through every department and arranged cuts there too. It means that each department has worked out how the cuts will work, so the surprise is where the axe will fall.

[Rum]

In the OP I estimated 60 jobs out of 600 going from Children's Services. I had underestimated the fact that we are a 'people intensive' organisation. The current estimate is 200. The news of how it will be done was distributed to the whole department yesterday. There were tears.

I hope Santa is happy with the news.

[Pensioner]

In the OP I estimated 60 jobs out of 600 going from Children's Services. I had underestimated the fact that we are a 'people intensive' organisation. The current estimate is 200. The news of how it will be done was distributed to the whole department yesterday. There were tears.

I hope Santa is happy with the news.

That's dreadful Rum the fucking bastard Tory's do not give a shit for working family's.

[Rum]

A further update following a meeting I went to yesterday. There are 35 people at my 'level' out of 3000 employees in our Children's Services. The estimate is now that of the 35 of us there will be 9 left when the cuts are implemented. I will almost certainly be one of them. Bizarrely it is that group which has the biggest part in planning a 'leaner' service. It felt like turkeys planning the Christmas dinner yesterday.

[JimC]

Not only rotten for you and your colleagues, Rum, but rotten for the families your group was supporting...

Families whose individual circumstances will change for the worse, and who will therefore need more support, rather than less...

No fat-cat bankers are going to suffer here, I imagine....

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I wonder where the finger gets pointed when the next Baby P or Victoria Climbié case occurs??

[Rum]

I wonder where the finger gets pointed when the next Baby P or Victoria Climbié case occurs??

Our director - the top boss chaired the meeting, said at one point 'Please no dead babies'.

[Santa_Claus]

As for you protestations about cash, it's there alright. Last year corporations dodged 80 billion in tax. There's your deficit right there. The money is always there. It's simply not in the right hands. Your posts are simply ignorant nonsense. Bullshit asserted confidently is still bullshit.

LOL. if someone gave you a crayon you could be the next Labour Chancellor

[Santa_Claus]

I wonder where the finger gets pointed when the next Baby P or Victoria Climbié case occurs??

My bet is that it will be someone from within the family.

It's not the job of HMG to stop family harming there kids - just to catch those that do. and punish them. No point throwing money at a problem that can never be solved. that's called socialism

Biggest child harm reduction measures that could be taken are:-

a) stopping child benefits
b) forcible adoptions for those without the ability to be a parent (druggies / long term jobless / social retards / criminals).
c) adoption from 6 weeks = a cute baby = easy to place. plus the kid is not yet broken.
d) More childrens homes - maybe not Little House on the Prairie - but at least the kids would have some chance
e) Prison. longer sentences = less breeding time.

Once kids stop having a £££ value to chavs they will stop having so many they don't really want. what they don't have they can't break.

If it was simply about the numbers of child lives / welfare per £ the budget would be better spent in Africa.

Of course throwing money and wishful thinking at a problem may work, if we just throw more. and yer own job depends on it.

[Ronja]

Wow, you think people should take time and learn what they're talking about before spouting off? You ol' farts really don't know how this internet thing works, do ya?

Wot?

Rum, BTDT, the answer with the highest effect/effort ratio to a comment like that is

Won't make the young cockerel see any sense (no answer will, except maybe time - a lot of it), but it will feel sooooo much better for you.

[Feck]

Dear Santa when your charm and wit place you at the appropriate level of society for someone of your obvious intelligence and empathy I hope you are not too proud an atheist to accept soup from the Salvation Army .

[Rum]

Wow, you think people should take time and learn what they're talking about before spouting off? You ol' farts really don't know how this internet thing works, do ya?

Wot?

Rum, BTDT, the answer with the highest effect/effort ratio to a comment like that is

Won't make the young cockerel see any sense (no answer will, except maybe time - a lot of it), but it will feel sooooo much better for you.

I wrote quite a long response to his post above about child protection. He really should stick to issues he knows about..though I suppose he would have nothing to post about then.

I on the other hand know the issues inside out as I have worked in one way and another with them all my working life.

So I deleted my repose because, yes you are right - though is probably more appropriate than a .

[Ronja]

I wonder where the finger gets pointed when the next Baby P or Victoria Climbié case occurs??

My bet is that it will be someone from within the family.

It's not the job of HMG to stop family harming there kids - just to catch those that do. and punish them. No point throwing money at a problem that can never be solved. that's called socialism

Biggest child harm reduction measures that could be taken are:-

a) stopping child benefits
b) forcible adoptions for those without the ability to be a parent (druggies / long term jobless / social retards / criminals).
c) adoption from 6 weeks = a cute baby = easy to place. plus the kid is not yet broken.
d) More childrens homes - maybe not Little House on the Prairie - but at least the kids would have some chance
e) Prison. longer sentences = less breeding time.

Once kids stop having a £££ value to chavs they will stop having so many they don't really want. what they don't have they can't break.

If it was simply about the numbers of child lives / welfare per £ the budget would be better spent in Africa.

Of course throwing money and wishful thinking at a problem may work, if we just throw more. and yer own job depends on it.

Santa, do you realize that all you say here is "the society should be designed based on evidence-based assumptions about its worst members likely actions"? On the principle level, I am not convinced this is right.

On the utilitarian level I'm not convinced that stopping child benefits from everyone, because a small minority is misusing the funds they receive, is really the road to a society where the productive, "good" citizens are more likely to have (more) kids - and its those likely sane and productive kids that a society needs especially badly, if it is going to live beyond the current generation.