Mystery Missile

[Feck]

I've seen some crazy lighting effects on trails and i don't have any information on that makes me think it is anything other than that . It wasn't the US accidentally letting one slip,it wasn't another foreign power dropping a launch tube off the coast for a warning .And it wasn't the fucking agents of the new world order launching a survival pod to the sodding planet Niburru with the last descendent of Christ on fucking board !
And no I don't actually KNOW that US nuclear subs don't sit just off LA with the missile launch button armed but I'm pretty fucking sure they don't
Also the blatantly obvious point is that Ian is talking about it if it was any of those things you foilhatters think it was Ian would not be talking about It !

[Robert_S]

What would be the point in NOT raising the alarm if it were a foreign power? With military recruitment down, I'd think any plausible threat to national security would be played up.

[Feck]

What would be the point in NOT raising the alarm if it were a foreign power? With military recruitment down, I'd think any plausible threat to national security would be played up.

Yeah that would be worth a few more million to every dodgy government agency Think of how much Homeland security could milk that for !

[mistermack]

I'm sticking with hoax. This guy has taken some original boring footage, and used some really creative editing to make it look like a missile. He's used artificial zoom, speeded it up in places, played with the contrast, I think it even goes backwards at some points. If you look at the plane in the foreground, is it going backwards or forwards? It actually stops and reverses in one clip. I also think the "engine" flashes were probably added.
Big hoax, deffo. That's why he hasn't posted his original so-called ten minute film.

[Coito ergo sum]

It seems the 'missile' was US Airways flight 808.

http://blog1.bahneman.com/content/it-wa ... flight-808
Right time and location, and repeated 24 hours later.

Right. I'll wait for the FAA to tell me what flight it was, not some quack on his blog.

Because, of course, once the FAA announces something, then all conspiracy theories will melt like butter on a barbecue....

[Coito ergo sum]

Horseshit.

The wobble is not an "atmospheric effect" - watch the video as the "missile moves". I'm not talking about the "contrail" being shifted by the wind. The "missile" which you can see as a dot in the video changes course rapidly - too rapidly for an airliner (they are not that maneuverable for one thing), and a serious deviation from flight 808's flight plan (they are strictly forbidden from deviating from registered flight plans except in case of emergency and that kind of shit is dealt with by ATC and well documented)

If the object was flight 808 the spokesman would have said "this was flight 808"! End of speculation! But no, neither the FAA nor the Pentagon has been able to identify this object. A true UFO.

The only person to "identify" it so far is some quack on his blog.

Finally the "contrail" does not look like a contrail. There is a superficial resemblance, nothing more.

You really want this to be flight 808 don't you?

Hoax? Maybe.

It traveled too slow to be a missile, and missiles don't change direction. The video doesn't look like a missile.

[GrahamH]

Yes. Coito posted a vid interviewing one physicist Michio Kacho (sp?) above in which he described the erratic course of the UFO which he determined by analysing the video frame by frame.

So much for atmospheric effect. Or maybe he just doesn't know as much as people here.

Yes, Michio Kaku was emphatic. It was a aeroplane contrail from a flight from Hawaii.

Looked too slow to be a missile. Have they confirmed it was an airplane?

I think Michio Kaku nailed it...

It was an aeroplane contrail.

According to some articles I found on 4chan (links. I would never trust /b/) the official explanation is that it was the trails from an airplane. Going at the right angle and in the right lighting, the con trails from an airliner can create an optical illusion looking like a missile flying up.

Here's a source:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11 ... bly-a-jet/

It was an aeroplane contrail from US Airlines flight 808 from Hawaii.

It seems the 'missile' was US Airways flight 808.

http://blog1.bahneman.com/content/it-wa ... flight-808
Right time and location, and repeated 24 hours later.

Radar confirms nothing else in the air.

Other head-on images of contrails look the same.

Case closed. It was an aeroplane contrail.

[Coito ergo sum]

I'm sticking with hoax. This guy has taken some original boring footage, and used some really creative editing to make it look like a missile. He's used artificial zoom, speeded it up in places, played with the contrast, I think it even goes backwards at some points. If you look at the plane in the foreground, is it going backwards or forwards? It actually stops and reverses in one clip. I also think the "engine" flashes were probably added.
Big hoax, deffo. That's why he hasn't posted his original so-called ten minute film.

Can anyone post side by side vids of missile launches and this vid? To me, it doesn't look like a missile. The first time I saw it, I was like - why would we assume that's a missile?

[Mahou]

Can anyone post side by side vids of missile launches and this vid? To me, it doesn't look like a missile. The first time I saw it, I was like - why would we assume that's a missile?

This is a video of a Trident I C-4 missile launch from a submarine.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95tFGzDp ... re=related[/youtube]

This is the raw video of the "mystery missile"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EBcjQKw ... re=related[/youtube]


This is the obvious explanaion:

[mistermack]

This video has definitely been tarted up to look like a missile.
If you look at the original so called "raw footage", linked above, at about 28 seconds a small plane comes into shot, flying towards the trail. It stops dead in the air, while the camera is still zooming!! Also the trail passes the clouds, then jumps back and passes the same clouds again, this time much redder.
It's not even continuous. It's been put together and edited to look like a missile.

If you don't think this is a deliberate hoax, ask yourself this question :
If that was a jet, coming in from Hawii, wouldn't it have been perfectly obvious, in 3D, and by it's slow progress, to the naked eye?
In other words, why would anyone in a helicopter seeing it with their own eyes think it worth broadcasting? They would know perfectly well it was a jet.
So they've filmed it, edited it with creative zooming and colour balance, speeded it up in places, stopped it in others, cut and repasted, to deliberately give a false impression.
That's why nobody else reported it.
By any definition, that's a hoax.

[GrahamH]

Obviously the "raw video" or "full video" is not raw, it has been edited. Who released it?

Who released the original broadcast video?

There is no fast motion in the broadcast clip, so I'm not convince it was "edited to look like a missile".
It is possible that someone handling the video thought it looked like a missile and edited the actual raw material to show the most missile-like characteristics.
They may have deliberately set out to mislead, but the characteristics of the video that have convinced some people that it can;t be a contrail do not seem to be the result of editing.

I think that introducing it as a missile primes people to interpret it that way. If you were just shown the video without commentary you would be more likely to identify it as a contrail.

[Mahou]

That's the only footage I found on Youtube, but after further searching I found this which CLAIMS to be the footage, but looks pretty different to me.


Here's a news cast using the footage I provided earlier:



Here's better footage of a missile with the plume.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbJI-X41 ... re=related[/youtube]

Seems to me that there's enough evidence to support it being a plane, especially considering that you can't really see a plume of fire expected from a missile, and there doesn't seem to be any knowledge of missiles in the area being launched. If the idea was to show off our power, don't you think we would have wanted to announce that it was a missile and clear up doubt?

From what I learned, the original station that broadcast the footage was channel 2, KCBS, a local CBS channel. I can't seem to find that report.

[mistermack]

The first video you linked looks like the same incident, taken with a different camera from a different spot. It doesn't look doctored, like the original ones.

In fact, if you look at the small plane that flies across in the foreground, you can see that it's going from left to right. In the original clips, its going from right to left, and stops and even jumps back in some clips. It was blurry, but it did look like the plane was flying backwards, in the first clips.

It just shows how doctored the original clips are.

[Coito ergo sum]

This video has definitely been tarted up to look like a missile.
If you look at the original so called "raw footage", linked above, at about 28 seconds a small plane comes into shot, flying towards the trail. It stops dead in the air, while the camera is still zooming!! Also the trail passes the clouds, then jumps back and passes the same clouds again, this time much redder.
It's not even continuous. It's been put together and edited to look like a missile.

If you don't think this is a deliberate hoax, ask yourself this question :
If that was a jet, coming in from Hawii, wouldn't it have been perfectly obvious, in 3D, and by it's slow progress, to the naked eye?
In other words, why would anyone in a helicopter seeing it with their own eyes think it worth broadcasting? They would know perfectly well it was a jet.
So they've filmed it, edited it with creative zooming and colour balance, speeded it up in places, stopped it in others, cut and repasted, to deliberately give a false impression.
That's why nobody else reported it.
By any definition, that's a hoax.

The thing doesn't look like a missile, though. It also didn't come crashing down, which all missiles must do unless they have enough power to escape Earth's gravity.

It's because of the contrail that someone thought it was worth broadcasting - it is sort of an optical illusion that on the surface - to a bunch of folks deficient in even the most rudimentary basic physics - might misinterpret as vaguely looking like a missile.

Maybe it is a hoax - if so, it's a piss poor one and a pointless one.