V mafia

[mononoke]

Charlou

I've been wondering about saying who I viewed last night. It was either scum off killing or a doctor off protecting. I wouldn't want to give our doctor away but at the same time we can't kill any more town. What should I do?

I was wondering why you didn't just out the name to begin with. It seems like a 50/50 chance you may have found the first scum. We really need a scum kill and have to stop screwing around. Assuming the Doctor protected you last night, you're probably going to be dead by dawn, and then we'll never know.

On the flip side, if the doctor was smart enough to assume that Scum would not have tried to lynch you yesterday (they killed Oblivion instead), then the doctor should protect you tonight.

If that didn't happen, though, and the doctor did protect you last night, I think you should leave that decision to the Doctor.

If they out, and are sketchy about who they protected when, Scum again faces a decision of who to go for.

If they out, and it's not the person you viewed, we get a scum today.

Figuring the Seer already outed, an outed Doctor really makes little difference.

IOW, I'd leave the decision to the Doctor.

I think the advice is sound in that ani wouldn't have to force doc into a corner. Let's see, we have to be careful.

[charlou]

Sorry Ani ... instead of blocking someone, I should have protected you

[charlou]

vote Denny

[Zigmen]

It might be wise of us avoid splitting our votes all over the place. The chances that we can actually win at this point depend on us nailing scum every day without them being able to swoop in at the last minute and sway the vote onto a Towny.

So far, scum has been voting to push a towny out very day.

Where could they possibly be hiding?

It has to be Mort, DP, and ________ left in reserve for safety's sake. If there was 4 scum, we'd have already lost in a complete blowout.

We should not be hoping to guess who ______ is when the most perfect hiding spot is on a supposed "team" of lizards who view as lizards, can communicate freely through PM, but just so happen to win with Town?

And based on what?

Because Town had Feck in a Miller role?

Feck is way too good of a player to have gone down without telling us these circumstances, if they indeed existed.

Imagine the logic he must have used to keep his mouth shut. "I know that I can clear 2 Townies upon my death, but, what the hell, I'll just let them worry about getting viewed and deal with it on their own, not to mention the Town's Seer will probably out themselves as soon as one of them are found."

Ghat might indeed have designed such an obscure game structure, but nobody can convince me that Feck is that poor of a player.

I urge you all to please consider this.

[charlou]

Feck would protect his team mates, Zigmen .. that's not poor play.

Miller Masons ... Not just a Miller, but an organisation of Millers. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason

[Zigmen]

Thanks, Charlou. I had not considered that possibility.

If I read that link correctly, it was saying that not all members of that team would necessarily have had the same alignment.

If that's the case, i can understand Feck not outing.

But, if it is indeed the case, that would leave us with a strong possibility that either Mort or DP are scum.

The chances are not as pure as I had hoped, if you are right.

But, I'd still take good chances over poor chances any day.

[charlou]

It mentions that scum masons are not a common variation ... but that's not all that helpful here. At this point, I'm assuming honesty on both DP and Mort's part and looking elsewhere for scum ..

[Zigmen]

It mentions that scum masons are not a common variation ... but that's not all that helpful here. At this point, I'm assuming honesty on both DP and Mort's part and looking elsewhere for scum ..

You say Feck would have protected his team mates. I agree. But he didn't, unless i missed it.

I'm having a hard time understanding how you think that lizard team might have been set up, why Feck didn't protect them, and how we can assume that Mort and DP are likely to be town.

I only get to play early days, so I'm trying to sort through this as quickly as possible.

Also, what about Denny sets off alarms for you?

[mononoke]

We need to nail a scum today otherwise it's going to be the end. There are three scum.

If FECK had come out it would have been easier for town. It's not like Morts & DP are claiming to be specials. They would appear as confirmed town and not priority scum targets as well. Morts & DP should get hop in more often.

[Zigmen]

We need to nail a scum today otherwise it's going to be the end. There are three scum.

If FECK had come out it would have been easier for town. It's not like Morts & DP are claiming to be specials. They would appear as confirmed town and not priority scum targets as well. Morts & DP should get hop in more often.

Yup, that's what I'm thinking. I can't understand why Charlou is taking the stance that Mort and DP can be taken at their word.

What do we know about Charlou's blocks?

[Zigmen]

Sorry Ani ... instead of blocking someone, I should have protected you

Who did you block?

[charlou]

That player should know who they are .. if they don't speak up about it, I'll be wondering why.

[charlou]

Waaaaaaaaaay past my bedtime. I'll be off for some hours.

[mononoke]

Ok I was blocked.

Charlou i was waiting for confirmation from you. I didn't want to out any of your strategy by inadvertently coming out.

Zig, why are you interested

[Zigmen]

It's just a hunch. You've read my post about why I think scum are hiding on that supposed lizard team. But, then we have Charlou and her role of "blocker/protector" trying to diffuse my theory. If my theory had holes in it, i want to know what they are.

Charlou agreed with me that Feck would have outed to save his team. She said:

Feck would protect his team mates, Zigmen

How could he protect his team mates? Only by outing them. He didn't.

Then Charlou linked a mafiawiki article that basically said that this type of team might be a mix of town and scum. That's good to know.

But then, things stopped adding up.

Why would Charlou take Mort at her word? Why would she believe her? That's unexplained and highly suspect.

Then, it occured to me, what if Charlou is not a Town "blocker/protecter?" What if she's the Scum Roleblocker?

That would round out the scum team as Mort, DP, and Charlou.

That's the one instance that would explain everything: Why Charlou is trying to clear Mort and DP. Why Charlou's explanation of the lizard team is pure Wifom.

But Charlou seems to have made a critical mistake.

If it is her contention that she believes Mort and DP, why would the knowledge of a mixed-alignment team make her even more suspicious of that team's members?

As I thought about all of this, i thought it best to try to piece together Charlou's night actions from N1 on. Did she ever protect anyone? Or, did she only do blocks?

A scum roleblocker could have only blocked. A Town blocker/protector would have certainly protected Ani on at least one night.

But today, Charlou apologised to Ani for not protecting him. That could only be possible if Charlou did not protect Ani the night before, either. Protectors (that i have ever seen) have never been able to protect the same player on consecutive nights. So, Charlou did not protect our Seer on either of those nights, otherwise her apology to Ani was bullshit.

There's more, but I have already gone on too long.

I think Charlou might be the third scum, and I'm trying to assess her actions to help me either clear her or condemn her.