Oz Mafia

[higgs2]

Higgs,

Would it be fair to say your win condition is similar to Ghats?

No. If you mean ghat saying it must be a draw. I have a hard time believing that condition anyhow, it would be almost impossible to have 3 or more teams come to a draw. I think.

I'm the Ruler of Oz and my win condition assumes what is best for all of Oz.

I am beginning to think that the wizard is the one banning people at night.

Best for all of OZ or best for you......I'm begining to think your trying to pull a ruse on all of us.

Have you ever read the books?
It's not a ruse, but it is a stupid assed win condition because it is win win win win win win. And you know me, I'd rather kick everyone's ass and just win.

How am I going to get this stupid fucking glass ball to the goddammned wizard? THe munchkins are almost gone, half the oz team is floating around in a balloon, we have no idea if there really are any winkies, and someone is contolling the banishing at night. And someone is blocking, I know that for a fact, so who blocked the wiz night 1?

[Rob]

someone is blocking, I know that for a fact, so who blocked the wiz night 1?

How do you know that for a fact?

[higgs2]

Just wanted to remind everyoneof this rule: . "You're not dead yet. If I don't tell you that you are well and truly out of the game, you may return at some future point. Hence rule 2."

Does anyone besides me think the blocker needs to speak up? We could figure out who is sending everyone away.

[DennyB]

hmm....

So my theory was correct, totals was a munchkin.

Zigmen,

I have difficult believing there are 5 teams. For that to happen both Ghat & Gibbs would be lying. Ghat seems like a special to me considering he was god saved on day two. I also think that either Ani & FECK or at least Ani, are specials considering thier behavior, especially that of Ani. He seems to be inciting people throughout the game. It's almost as if Ani is asking to be killed. FECK said something about saving OZ later. This could have something to do with the consequences of killing Ani. [/crazytheory]

Mono,
You mention that ghat and Gibbs would be lying.
Gibbs has been banished and his alignment is known.
What could gibbs possibly be lying about?

I know the whole total and gibbs thing sure messed with my head. Not one but 2 plunders.. FOS
Fuck, I meant Higgs.

and I didn't say they were lying. what I meant to say was that for there to be 5 teams Ghat & Higgs can't be independents as they claim to be.

Irre, Which part of my post didn't make sense. Was it the Higgs gibbs mixup

So, is your inability to use the quote function a valid reason for a FOS.

Actually I think it would be (insert any name but mine here)'s inability to use the quote function could be a reason for a banning

[higgs2]

someone is blocking, I know that for a fact, so who blocked the wiz night 1?

How do you know that for a fact?

Because I was blocked the night before last.

[DennyB]

Has anyone else been blocked?

[higgs2]

No one has spoken up.

[higgs2]

But there was no banishing night one, so I'm guessing there might have been a block.

[higgs2]

Athough why the blocker wouldn't say something --unless they are onan "evil" team. i don't know.

[irretating]

higgs your win condition sounds spurious... no more incredible than ghat's alleged one

I for one am glad the munchkins are down on their luck... on day 1 we got a munchkin witch and there's no way that's a pro-town role

Interesting that I am happy to state my team, but everyone else is being so reticent. Although, charlou did say she was getting her seer to view me so I'm most interested to hear the outcome of that

[higgs2]

i think ghats condition is not incredible ny that it has been pointed out to me that there can be a draw not including all teams. Do you think she's glinda, though? I just don't get why she'd have to protect herself or pardon herself.
I don't relaly suspect ghat to be much more than what she says except maybe the glinda part.

I don't know why everyone is reticent either? I'm not exactly on a team but I've told you everything I can and even skirted the edges and gotten reprimanded for it.

[higgs2]

So irre, it sounds like you are still thinking that we are playing a town and scum game. Would you be willing to explain your thinking on that a bit?

[irretating]

OK higgs, I'm wiling to believe you and ghat are independents. Independents, by their very nature, have a win condition that is specific to them, and is not town's. So, why would we keep you around?

What I cannot understand is that MZ said he had no friends, yet he was a munchkin. How could he be on a team different to me (and I can't PM anyone so I have to conclude monkies are town) and not know his team mates? Unless...there really is no 'town' as such. Which means people like charlou and DP, and higgs, are just working to their own end game, in which case it matters not what their nominal role is (you yourself higgs pointed out that the game design is not true to the novel, so being Ozram or whoever doesn't make you 'good' )

[irretating]

So irre, it sounds like you are still thinking that we are playing a town and scum game. Would you be willing to explain your thinking on that a bit?

cross post...

yes, I just (finally) realised as much

[charlou]

Considering that they are being sent away by balloons I think you are correct.

I think we need to stop the banishing. There is one way. To 'banish" the wizard. But there is also giving him back the authentic glass ball. I'm not sure but I think that might stop the banishing as well.

Is that your night action, higgs? To visit players and try to give them the glass ball? Who have you tried this with so far?


Guys, I think we want to keep higgs in play .. It seems like some of you are still not getting that this is not like scum/town mafia .. we need to cooperate to work this one out.