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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:29 pm

Shakespeare's writing style and why it is hard to read.

I hinted at this in an earlier post. Why is it so hard to make sense of Old Shakey Bill's plays when you read them? Why are they written in short lines that don't make any sense on their own - often having one or two words tagged on to the next line? What's all that about then?

Well, the answer is Iambic Pantameter. Well it would be, wouldn't it? :dono:

So what is it? And why?

Basically, IP is an ancient Greek poetic form that was held up as the pinnacle of 'serious' writing by classical scholars of Shakespeare's time. It was adopted by English poets of the Elizabethan era in imitation of European, renaissance poets and was seen as far more sophisticated and trendy than the earlier, uniquely English forms (such as those used by Chaucer.)

In its original form, IP consisted of 10 syllables of Greek (or later Latin), arranged in five pairs, each of a short followed by a long syllable. s L s L s L s L s L. However, unlike Greek and Latin, English does not contain short and long syllables, so the form was adapted to replace these with unstressed and stressed syllables respectively.

eg. I saw a man with flowers in his beard. As you say this line out loud, you will notice that the words bounce along in a de-DUH de-DUH de-DUH de-DUH de-DUH rhythm - this is the essence of IP. Each 'de-DUH' is known as an iamb and there are 5 iambs, hence pentameter.

Shakespeare was nothing if not trendy and he wrote almost exclusively in IP. But, the English language being what it is, sticking rigidly to IP would make any writing impossibly dull and restricted. There are very few examples of even short poems written exclusively in IP. So iambs are routinely replaced by other 'metric feet' (a foot is just a group of syllables - there are various two-syllable, three-syllable and even four-syllable feet, each categorised by the arrangements of stressed beats within it) in order to add character and allow the use of words and phrases that otherwise wouldn't fit. There were, of course, rules as to exactly how such substitutions could be made, with some being accepted as 'natural' while others were frowned upon as 'forced' or 'ugly'.

One of the most common changes made to pure IP was the addition of an 11th, unstressed syllable at the end of the line - eg. Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.

In order to maintain IP while allowing phrases of more or less than 10 syllables, poets use a technique known as enjambment. This basically means splitting a phrase between two or more lines.

eg. The red section below is a single clause that is split over three lines.

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more
; it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.

In Shakespeare's plays, a single IP line can even be split between two or more characters, with one character's speech beginning in the middle of a line that was started by another. This is especially true of his later plays.

All of this makes it hard for us, used to seeing unbroken blocks of text with just punctuation breaks at the end of clauses, to follow the narrative. Like many things, it takes practice. The trick is to ignore the lines of text and to concentrate on the punctuation, mentally rewriting the words as you would expect to see them in 'normal' prose.

Eg. Taking the passage from Macbeth used above.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time; and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more; it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

See? Easy innit? Now all you have to get to grips with is the archaic language!

An interesting aside here, is the way in which the text of the plays have been interpreted over the years. Nobody knows if the IP used by Shakespeare was merely a writing trick that was ignored when performing the plays, or whether they were meant to be read aloud in the same style, with pauses after each line on the page. There has been furious debate over this for years and it shows no sign of abating (you'd really think that people had better things to do, wouldn't you?) In the Victorian era, it was almost compulsory to emphasise the breaks between lines, with long pauses. Currently, the trend is generally to ignore the pentameter structure and to let the dialogue flow naturally but this is by no means universally adopted. Many very recent productions have included the pauses - including Kenneth Branagh's Love's Labours Lost in 2000, as mentioned in the Wiki piece on IP. It is pretty much the first thing that any actor asks when signing up for a WS play, "Are we doing pauses?"

I could go on and describe Shakespeare's sonnets here. But I will leave that for another day.
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by FBM » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:35 pm

Tradition has it that he was both born and died on the 23rd of April. Today, here. Dunno what it is where you are.
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Beelzebub2 » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:53 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote: See? Easy innit? Now all you have to get to grips with is the archaic language!
Interesting thing is that although it may seem that his language is archaic and difficult to understand, it has actually been altered and modernized.

For instance, these verses from Hamlet (Act II scene II) that I already quoted before:

Doubt thou the stars are fire,
Doubt that the sun doth move,
Doubt truth to be a liar,
But never doubt I love.


in their original form have been written like this:

Doubt thou, the Starres are fire,
Doubt, that the Sunne doth moue:
Doubt Truth to be a Lier,
But neuer Doubt, I loue.


as it appears in the 1623 First Folio.

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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:58 pm

FBM wrote:Tradition has it that he was both born and died on the 23rd of April. Today, here. Dunno what it is where you are.
It is indeed St George's day here as well. And Shakey Bill's b'day (allegedly.) William Shakespeare was baptised on the 26th April 1564 but nobody knows the exact date of his birth (although it would have been a few days or weeks earlier.)
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:21 pm

ryokan wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote: See? Easy innit? Now all you have to get to grips with is the archaic language!
Interesting thing is that although it may seem that his language is archaic and difficult to understand, it has actually been altered and modernized.

For instance, these verses from Hamlet (Act II scene II) that I already quoted before:

Doubt thou the stars are fire,
Doubt that the sun doth move,
Doubt truth to be a liar,
But never doubt I love.


in their original form have been written like this:

Doubt thou, the Starres are fire,
Doubt, that the Sunne doth moue:
Doubt Truth to be a Lier,
But neuer Doubt, I loue.


as it appears in the 1623 First Folio.
Here is a viewable copy of the first folio.

There has been a lot of debate regarding the texts of WS's plays. The first folio (1623) is considered the first definitive collection of his works but it contains errors and omissions as compared to the earlier quarto editions (cheap, individual prints of single plays.) Subsequent editions corrected some of these errors, made a few new errors, amended punctuation and spelling and changed whole passages in places. The process has continued pretty much ever since, as have the arguments over what the man actually wrote!
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Pappa » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:57 pm

ryokan wrote:Doubt thou the stars are fire,
Doubt that the sun doth move,
Doubt truth to be a liar,
But never doubt I love.
Incidentally... Shakespeare was writing at the time doth was making the transition to does, in some cases, he used both on nearby lines. I've read that at the time, people may have been writing doth but saying does. It's possible Shakespeare may have used both intentionally for different purposes, but that's mere conjecture.
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:11 pm

Pappa wrote:
ryokan wrote:Doubt thou the stars are fire,
Doubt that the sun doth move,
Doubt truth to be a liar,
But never doubt I love.
Incidentally... Shakespeare was writing at the time doth was making the transition to does, in some cases, he used both on nearby lines. I've read that at the time, people may have been writing doth but saying does. It's possible Shakespeare may have used both intentionally for different purposes, but that's mere conjecture.
Perhaps he had an intermittent lithp. :tea:
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by FBM » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:18 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Shakespeare's writing style and why it is hard to read.

I hinted at this in an earlier post. Why is it so hard to make sense of Old Shakey Bill's plays when you read them? Why are they written in short lines that don't make any sense on their own - often having one or two words tagged on to the next line? What's all that about then?

Well, the answer is Iambic Pantameter...
Sorry, but this directly contradicts what my English teacher told me. She said that Shakespeare was so hard to read because I'm a dumb shit that shouldn't be allowed to go out in public unattended. So, who was right? :dono:
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:29 pm

FBM wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Shakespeare's writing style and why it is hard to read.

I hinted at this in an earlier post. Why is it so hard to make sense of Old Shakey Bill's plays when you read them? Why are they written in short lines that don't make any sense on their own - often having one or two words tagged on to the next line? What's all that about then?

Well, the answer is Iambic Pantameter...
Sorry, but this directly contradicts what my English teacher told me. She said that Shakespeare was so hard to read because I'm a dumb shit that shouldn't be allowed to go out in public unattended. So, who was right? :dono:
Like many things in life, there is no single right answer. It all depends on context. :tup:
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Kristie » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:04 pm

I'm not big on Shakespear. I have a really hard time understanding it, probably partly because I'm American. :dono:
I do love Romeo and Juilet though.
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Pappa » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:17 pm

Don't tell anyone, but I've only every read The Merchant of Venice.
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Beelzebub2 » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:46 pm

From the King Lear

"This is the excellent foppery of the world, that,
when we are sick in fortune,--often the surfeit
of our own behavior,--we make guilty of our
disasters the sun, the moon, and the stars: as
if we were villains by necessity; fools by
heavenly compulsion; knaves, thieves, and
treachers, by spherical predominance; drunkards,
liars, and adulterers, by an enforced obedience of
planetary influence; and all that we are evil in,
by a divine thrusting on: an admirable evasion
of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish
disposition to the charge of a star! My
father compounded with my mother under the
dragon's tail; and my nativity was under Ursa
major; so that it follows, I am rough and
lecherous. Tut, I should have been that I am,
had the maidenliest star in the firmament
twinkled on my bastardizing.
"

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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Animavore » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:51 pm

FIO wrote:I'm not big on Shakespear. I have a really hard time understanding it, probably partly because I'm American. :dono:
I do love Romeo and Juilet though.
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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Beelzebub2 » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:52 pm

From "Twelfth Night or What You Will"

"This fellow is wise enough to play the fool;
And to do that well craves a kind of wit.
He must observe their mood on whom he jests,
The quality of persons, and the time,
And, like the haggard, cheque at every feather
That comes before his eye. This is a practise
As full of labour as a wise man's art
For folly that he wisely shows is fit;
But wise men, folly-fall'n, quite taint their wit."


(Act III, Scene I)

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Re: Shakespeare?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:05 am

ryokan wrote:From the King Lear

"This is the excellent foppery of the world, that,
when we are sick in fortune,--often the surfeit
of our own behavior,--we make guilty of our
disasters the sun, the moon, and the stars: as
if we were villains by necessity; fools by
heavenly compulsion; knaves, thieves, and
treachers, by spherical predominance; drunkards,
liars, and adulterers, by an enforced obedience of
planetary influence; and all that we are evil in,
by a divine thrusting on: an admirable evasion
of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish
disposition to the charge of a star! My
father compounded with my mother under the
dragon's tail; and my nativity was under Ursa
major; so that it follows, I am rough and
lecherous. Tut, I should have been that I am,
had the maidenliest star in the firmament
twinkled on my bastardizing.
"
This is an excellent quote from one of Shakespeare's greatest plays. The anti-woo vibe is palpable in this piece - as it is in most of the play. There are many that point to KL as an example of Shakespeare's atheism. The play is set in pagan times and Lear calls repeatedly upon 'the gods' (the actual deities are never named or specified IIRC) for assistance to no avail. While there is no mention of the xtian god in the play at all, the extension from Lear's gods to him is obvious. Of course, in any play with xtian characters, he would have had to have the king rebel against god, or blaspheme in order for his downfall to be seen as divine retribution - such were the times - but in Lear's dark, pagan past, there are no such restrictions - the gods are simply absent or at very best ineffectual or uncaring.
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