The US elections in November, 2010.

[Coito ergo sum]

Right is conservative and reactionary. Left is progressive and revolutionary.

So what? Violent is violent.

The riots are a reactionary response to change, making them conservative,

Those engaged in them are left wing socialists, union thugs, black bloc-ers, etc. Not conservatives.

making them inspired by right-wing sentiments. If the riots were for change, they would be progressive and revolutionary.

The rioters think they are rioting for change - change away from the prevailing establishment.

Simply labelling something as 'left' or 'right' isn't good enough, you actually have to demonstrate it.

Which you haven't. You're calling certain protesters "conservative" or "right" who don't identify themselves that way, and quite simply, aren't.

For instance, the rise of Mao was a left wing act. It was revolutionary and progressive. The present Chinese Government is right-wing. It is conservative and reactionary.
I daresay both sides are as equally vile.

That's like saying that the Obama administration was progressive when they were running for election, but now that they ARE the establishment they are conservative.

[Trolldor]

Makes no sense?
Hardly, explain how the present Chinese Government is not Conservative and reactionary?

[Coito ergo sum]

Makes no sense?
Hardly, explain how the present Chinese Government is not Conservative and reactionary?

It's communist. That's a left wing political philosophy. It gets complex, though.

In China, the term Chinese New Left denotes those who oppose the current economic reforms and favour the restoration of more socialist policies. So, those that are against change in China call themselves the "new left." Because, basically, in the real world, "left" doesn't necessarily mean "progressive" or "in favor of change" - rather, it means "against capitalism" or "against free markets."

[Warren Dew]

From the first google search that loaded:

Tim Profitt, the Rand Paul campaign's Bourbon County coordinator, admitted today to stomping on the head of activist Lauren Valle outside Monday's debate between Paul and Jack Conway. The Lexington Police have issued a criminal summons for the head-stomper.

Probably still not a paid aide, but yeah, not a random supporter either.

[Warren Dew]

Protesting change is a conservative attitude, and 'conservative' is a key feature of a right-wing attitude.

By this definition, the Tea Party is left wing.

[Trolldor]

No, in the real world "Left" means progressive and revolutionary.
If their attitudes are conservative and reactionary it doesn't matter what they call themselves, they are right wing.

Secondly, communism operates as a left wing political philosophy until it gains a solid stronghold, at which point it quite rapidly moves to the extreme right, resisting change and innovation.
Why, China is a perfect living example.

By this definition, the Tea Party is left wing.

If they're advocating for change, then yes they would be. If they're advocating for things to remain the same then they would be right wing.

[Coito ergo sum]

No, in the real world "Left" means progressive and revolutionary.

And, socialist, communist, etc.

One can easily be "progressive" without being either Left or revolutionary. Teddy Roosevelt and the Republicans were progressive.

If their attitudes are conservative and reactionary it doesn't matter what they call themselves, they are right wing.

That's not correct. Communists are left wing, whether or not they are the establishment and not open to change.

Secondly, communism operates as a left wing political philosophy until it gains a solid stronghold, at which point it quite rapidly moves to the extreme right, resisting change and innovation.
Why, China is a perfect living example.

By this definition, the Tea Party is left wing.

If they're advocating for change, then yes they would be. If they're advocating for things to remain the same then they would be right wing.

The Tea Party is advocating for change.

If I advocate for the repeal of Obamacare, am I Left Wing? Of course not.

[Trolldor]

Republican doesn't mean right wing.
Communists are left wing only so long as they are open to change and development. The moment they adopt conservative, reactionary positions they are right wing.

The Tea partiers are rightwing because they're arguing for regression, not change. They are advocating failed ideas that were once in play, they bring nothing new to the table, hence no progress.
The same with repealing Obamacare. A repeal is a reactionary movement, not a progressive one.

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Surprise, surprise: Americans are going to the polls misinformed.

The Obama administration cut taxes for middle-class Americans, expects to make a profit on the hundreds of billions of dollars spent to rescue Wall Street banks and has overseen an economy that has grown for the past four quarters.

Most voters don’t believe it.

A Bloomberg National Poll conducted Oct. 24-26 finds that by a two-to-one margin, likely voters in the Nov. 2 midterm elections think taxes have gone up, the economy has shrunk, and the billions lent to banks as part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program won’t be recovered.

“The public view of the economy is at odds with the facts, and the blame has to go to the Democrats,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based firm that conducted the nationwide survey. “It does not matter much if you make change, if you do not communicate change.”

[Coito ergo sum]

Republican doesn't mean right wing.

Nobody said it did.

Communists are left wing only so long as they are open to change and development. The moment they adopt conservative, reactionary positions they are right wing.

Curious definition, used by nobody except you.

The Tea partiers are rightwing because they're arguing for regression, not change. They are advocating failed ideas that were once in play, they bring nothing new to the table, hence no progress.
The same with repealing Obamacare. A repeal is a reactionary movement, not a progressive one.

By your definition, if I advocate a different health care system, then I am on the Left and if you support Obamacare over my new health care system, then you are reactionary and conservative.

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Republican doesn't mean right wing.

Nobody said it did.

Communists are left wing only so long as they are open to change and development. The moment they adopt conservative, reactionary positions they are right wing.

Curious definition, used by nobody except you.

The Tea partiers are rightwing because they're arguing for regression, not change. They are advocating failed ideas that were once in play, they bring nothing new to the table, hence no progress.
The same with repealing Obamacare. A repeal is a reactionary movement, not a progressive one.

By your definition, if I advocate a different health care system, then I am on the Left and if you support Obamacare over my new health care system, then you are reactionary and conservative.

Actually the definition provided is 'revolutionary and progressive'.

A repeal seeks to undo, and undo is a regression. It is also reactionary, a movement only capable when faced with change. So no, you are fairly regressive and right-wing.

I am only regressive and reactionary if I don't see any change, development or progress possible. I do, so that would be a left wing stance. If I saw that it should remain precisely as is then it would be a right-wing stance because change would be bad.

Secondly, you did equate Republican to right wing.

One can easily be "progressive" without being either Left or revolutionary. Teddy Roosevelt and the Republicans were progressive.

Finally, it isn't my definition at all nor am I the only one who uses it.

[Coito ergo sum]

Surprise, surprise: Americans are going to the polls misinformed.

The Obama administration cut taxes for middle-class Americans, expects to make a profit on the hundreds of billions of dollars spent to rescue Wall Street banks and has overseen an economy that has grown for the past four quarters.

Most voters don’t believe it.

A Bloomberg National Poll conducted Oct. 24-26 finds that by a two-to-one margin, likely voters in the Nov. 2 midterm elections think taxes have gone up, the economy has shrunk, and the billions lent to banks as part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program won’t be recovered.

“The public view of the economy is at odds with the facts, and the blame has to go to the Democrats,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based firm that conducted the nationwide survey. “It does not matter much if you make change, if you do not communicate change.”

What was included in the February 2009 stimulus package was not a “tax cut.” No one’s tax rates were reduced. Instead, there was a temporary two-year tax credit that reduced payroll witholding by about $8 a week. We all filed tax returns this year - we know the tax rates were not cut.

And, Wall Street bailout was under Bush. TARP and the Wall Street bailout is what's been paid back. The Obama administration has been very vocal about "not taking the blame" for TARP, which apparently some people don't remember was pre-Obama. So, he can't now claim as a success that it's being paid back or "will make a profit" (something I'd like to see in hard numbers).

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Surprise, surprise: Americans are going to the polls misinformed.

Indeed, the government is making a profit on TARP. However, your journalist was misinformed; TARP was passed under Bush, as Democrats are all too fond of pointing out.

TARP was still stupid, though, at least the part about forcing perfectly healthy banks to accept it and the government's making a profit from them. The purpose of government is not to make a profit.

I'm pretty sure the main part of the economy most people are unhappy about is the 9.6% unemployment rate, and most of that increase indubitably happened under Obama.

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Republican doesn't mean right wing.

Nobody said it did.

Communists are left wing only so long as they are open to change and development. The moment they adopt conservative, reactionary positions they are right wing.

Curious definition, used by nobody except you.

The Tea partiers are rightwing because they're arguing for regression, not change. They are advocating failed ideas that were once in play, they bring nothing new to the table, hence no progress.
The same with repealing Obamacare. A repeal is a reactionary movement, not a progressive one.

By your definition, if I advocate a different health care system, then I am on the Left and if you support Obamacare over my new health care system, then you are reactionary and conservative.

Actually the definition provided is 'revolutionary and progressive'.

A repeal seeks to undo, and undo is a regression. It is also reactionary, a movement only capable when faced with change. So no, you are fairly regressive and right-wing.

I am only regressive and reactionary if I don't see any change, development or progress possible. I do, so that would be a left wing stance. If I saw that it should remain precisely as is then it would be a right-wing stance because change would be bad.

Yours is a definition of your own invention. Have fun with it.

Secondly, you did equate Republican to right wing.

One can easily be "progressive" without being either Left or revolutionary. Teddy Roosevelt and the Republicans were progressive.

I never said they were right wing. I said they were progressive. They certainly weren't "Left." So, your definition of "Left" as being "progressive" is wrong. Teddy Roosevelt and the progressive republicans were progressive, but were not Left. The socialists were on the Left.

Finally, it isn't my definition at all nor am I the only one who uses it.

Source?

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If they were predominantly progressive and revolutionary, then yes they were left-wing.

Secondly, lol. No, the source has no bearing on the debate.
You have to actually provide a response to the question now:
In what way is the Chinese Government not right-wing?
And 'because it's communist' isn't an answer in any sense. Please explain explicit, specific actions it has taken which are characteristic of the left-wing.


And also, when you say definition of my 'own invention', do you mean like this?

ecause, basically, in the real world, "left" doesn't necessarily mean "progressive" or "in favor of change" - rather, it means "against capitalism" or "against free markets."

I lol'd heartily at that little bit of hypocrisy.