Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia

[oblivion]

Yes. scum kills come after protection. If galls really is the doctor, whoever she protects should make it through to tomorrow.

[oblivion]

Ghat's post from the after nightfall talk:

Higgs, denny then oblivion I would say. She could well be leading town by the nose with these two lynches even though I think the game will end with one of the two.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p611517

[higgs2]

She also said that feck was playing pro town.

We can consider denny, could be lying and his 2 views came up town. Bit risk though for counterclaim and he didn't need to do it.

[oblivion]

^^ I'm not saying I think that is going on. I'm just saying that if higgs and I are both town and one of us is alive tomorrow then I think town's going to lose.

If we choose to to lynch gallstones and we are wrong and Denny dies we have a 25% chance to get the scum tomorrow if we leave gallstones to protect Denny Scum will NK her and we have a 33% chance to get the scum tomorrow If we leave Gallstones to be viewed by Denny and Neither of them are killed then we have 2 confirmed town players tomorrow so that's 50% If scum don't make a night kill of Gallstones or Denny they add some confusion but lose out on the odds .

so we only really have one choice about Gallstones Are we going to risk the difference between 25% and 33% in the hope that she is scum

Oblivion you have been on Higg's case most of the Game do you want to abandon that because you are so sure that Gallstones is scum ?

Totals Denny and I have to think that Lynching you would give us 33% chance and Denny (a cleared player) as the Mayor

or we could be right and you are the Don


Totals or I get lynched then you are on the 33% odds tomorrow with Denny alive and oblivion as mayor .
and I think Oblivion knows that scum kills come after protection otherwise it would not work would It !
so people that's the summation

The only part I disagree with is that a town view of Galls doesn't clear her any more than it clears me or higgs. What tentatively clears her is denny being alive. And if she's scum, she can make that happen by killing someone else.

[higgs2]

ghat took her vote off totals and put it on normal. But she didn't totally clear him.

[oblivion]

ghat is a he.

[higgs2]

Sorry ghat, I thought you were a he but then I thought I saw someone else refer to you as she so I thought I had been wrong. I apologize.

[Feck]

another thing when hassled about not protecting Charlou Gallstones did not immediately say that Charlou had asked not to be protected it took a few posts before she reminded us of that ...I would have thought she would have had that knowledge to hand rather than only find it after such a long interrogation ?

but is Zigman likely to leave out 2 roles and make this a very simple game ? if not why the comment on the doctors office being empty ? Surely that was a hint ?

and a seer view of Gallstones does clear her (and would only happen if Denny survives) ..we have no counter-claim for a Doc ...she cannot be a scum Don if there is no Doc unless Zigmen wants to run an unbalanced game .

[oblivion]

another thing when hassled about not protecting Charlou Gallstones did not immediately say that Charlou had asked not to be protected it took a few posts before she reminded us of that ...I would have thought she would have had that knowledge to hand rather than only find it after such a long interrogation ?

but is Zigman likely to leave out 2 roles and make this a very simple game ? if not why the comment on the doctors office being empty ? Surely that was a hint ?

and a seer view of Gallstones does clear her (and would only happen if Denny survives) ..we have no counter-claim for a Doc ...she cannot be a scum Don if there is no Doc unless Zigmen wants to run an unbalanced game .

It's not really that unbalanced, though. the assumptions that town makes about the presence of specials is what makes leaving some out so devastating, and such a good twist on an otherwise simple game.

[oblivion]

The hall of mirror effect we're going through now is really counterproductive. I think I'm going to try to pull out of my dive and wait to see what happens with town consensus. Only one of us is scum.

[higgs2]

another thing when hassled about not protecting Charlou Gallstones did not immediately say that Charlou had asked not to be protected it took a few posts before she reminded us of that ...I would have thought she would have had that knowledge to hand rather than only find it after such a long interrogation ?

but is Zigman likely to leave out 2 roles and make this a very simple game ? if not why the comment on the doctors office being empty ? Surely that was a hint ?

and a seer view of Gallstones does clear her (and would only happen if Denny survives) ..we have no counter-claim for a Doc ...she cannot be a scum Don if there is no Doc unless Zigmen wants to run an unbalanced game .

If denny's lying, he kills someone else, says galls is town because she would be and survives.


I think that's getting to be really WIFOM hell though.

I am going on a limb and guessing oblivion is town. ANd if she's the don I will be so pissed because I hate having her pull one over on me.

I say vote galls

If she is the doc, then I suspect totals and denny. I'm leaving feck out because ghat would have been a good person to keep around if feck had been scum.

I think both charlou and oblivion asked not to be protected.

[oblivion]

meh. one more observation. we keep coming up with more reasons why Galls's story doesn't make sense, and then go back into the mode of "but what if she IS the doc".

At some point, we have to say "goddamn look at the evidence she's lying".

[oblivion]

Actually I asked not to be protected and suggested I'd be a waste of a view, too.

[Feck]

If we don't have a seer then what the fuck ! Denny must be the seer no counter claim .

i'm taking the risk I still want to lynch Gallstones

[oblivion]

I agree about denny.