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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:09 pm

LaMont Cranston wrote:Coito, I think that many of us recognize that the US economy is fucked. Many of the indicators, including high unemployment and the housing situation, point to the obvious conclusion that much more serious shit is likely to hit the fan. I wish I had more faith in either the Democrats or the Republicans to actually remedy the situation, but it appears to me that what they are mostly involved in is finger pointing at each other. Would you agree that there is no quick fix to this situation, and politicians who are in denial only make the problem worse?
There is no quick fix. However, printing money that we don't have and borrowing until our AAA rating goes down the tubes is most certainly not the answer.
LaMont Cranston wrote: What I'm more interested in, and I think it is absolutely relevant to this thread, is what you and others think it is going to look like when it really hits the fan. Without getting overly personal, do you have a strategy for you and your family? Do communities around the country have any kinds of plans in place to deal with something like a 25% unemployment rate and long lines of hungry people?
If we go to 25% unemployment there will riots and fires. No, I don't think communities are prepared, or adequately preparing.
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History seems to indicate that severe economic problems can lead to reforms in the society (i.e. The New Deal), but they also often lead to repression, greater involvement of the military and, ultimately, to war. So, what do you think is going to happen?
I hope we stop spending, tighten the government belt, and encourage American business and even more than business "industry." In order for the US, ultimately, to come around again, we need to build things here, and have manufacturing here. That's one of the reasons I wish we took the trillion dollars flushed down the toilet and split in 1/2 - half to the aerospace industry to get us off this rock, back to the moon and to mars in a 30 year project, and the other half to energy for a Manhatten Project to find and develop real alternatives to oil, particularly fusion technology. Instead, we spent it on converter boxes for HDTV, increased access to broadband internet, turtle crossings on highways, and congressional boondoggles.

If we do not have industry, this country will fail. Once it's gone, it's almost impossible to get it back.

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Post by Warren Dew » Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:10 am

LaMont Cranston wrote:Coito, I think that many of us recognize that the US economy is fucked. Many of the indicators, including high unemployment and the housing situation, point to the obvious conclusion that much more serious shit is likely to hit the fan.
Unemployment is usually a trailing indicator, not a leading indicator. 9% unemployment doesn't predict change in any direction.

What do you think the housing situation is? Sales were way down for July, but on the other hand prices rose and mortgage delinquencies are down slightly. There is a backlog of overpriced housing to work through, but we're working through it.

I don't think there are any serious signs that the economy is getting better, but I don't think there are any that the economy is getting worse, either. I think it could keep limping along in its current state for a long time.

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:29 am

Hurrah, things...can only get better, can only get better...lalalala

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... nine-years
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Post by klr » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:52 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:Hurrah, things...can only get better, can only get better...lalalala

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... nine-years
It's easy to improve when you're starting from rock-bottom ... :coffee:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:05 am

klr wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Hurrah, things...can only get better, can only get better...lalalala

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... nine-years
It's easy to improve when you're starting from rock-bottom ... :coffee:
It's a sign that the bright sunlight of the economic highlands is just around the corner. Definitely.
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Re: Here comes the other economic shoe dropping...

Post by klr » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:09 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:
klr wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Hurrah, things...can only get better, can only get better...lalalala

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... nine-years
It's easy to improve when you're starting from rock-bottom ... :coffee:
It's a sign that the bright sunlight of the economic highlands is just around the corner. Definitely.
Your optimism is commendable. Can I interest you in this property investment opportunity? It's a goldmine guv, bottom of the market ...

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:15 am

klr wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
klr wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Hurrah, things...can only get better, can only get better...lalalala

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... nine-years
It's easy to improve when you're starting from rock-bottom ... :coffee:
It's a sign that the bright sunlight of the economic highlands is just around the corner. Definitely.
Your optimism is commendable. Can I interest you in this property investment opportunity? It's a goldmine guv, bottom of the market ...

:plot:
I shall send you my bank details. I'm rich, rich!
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Re: Here comes the other economic shoe dropping...

Post by JimC » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:58 am

Personally, I am hoarding toilet paper and gin. When civilisation collapses, I shall be sitting pretty...
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Post by klr » Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:01 pm

JimC wrote:Personally, I am hoarding toilet paper and gin. When civilisation collapses, I shall be sitting pretty...
Only one letter out from being perfect ... :shifty:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:30 pm

US GDP numbers to be revised down today - growth for first half of the year "anemic" to "stagnant." http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-e ... 1261.story
But just as there is widespread agreement that the economy is faltering, there is also a sense that the federal government is running out of options to rebuild momentum.

"Housing is in the tank. Confidence is going down. The stock market is going down. It's hard to imagine how consumers will spend," said Sung Won Sohn, an economics professor at Cal State Channel Islands and former chief economist for Wells Fargo.

He put the probability that economic growth will slide back into negative territory — a double-dip recession — at "40% and going up."

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:00 pm

Splendid news - Aga sales are on the rise!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... k-in-black
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:03 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Splendid news - Aga sales are on the rise!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... k-in-black
That is good news!

Let's go Brits! Pull the world economy up! The US sure ain't doin' it....

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:10 pm

And the Democrats set out to destroy the economy! http://thehill.com/homenews/house/11025 ... s-may-wait

Although for 7+ years now, Democrats have stated that the Bush tax cuts hurt the economy by sending deficits soaring, they now want to extend the tax cuts in order to help the economy....makes perfect sense.... :fp2:

After all, taxes were higher under Clinton, and the economy better, so raising taxes would help the economy. :bunny:

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Post by Svartalf » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:14 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Splendid news - Aga sales are on the rise!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... k-in-black
Cast iron stoves? I thought the one in my granmother's home was a legacy from the house being built back in the 1890s... You have to have your own woods to make feeding that kind of apparatus economically viable.
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Post by Svartalf » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:17 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:And the Democrats set out to destroy the economy! http://thehill.com/homenews/house/11025 ... s-may-wait

Although for 7+ years now, Democrats have stated that the Bush tax cuts hurt the economy by sending deficits soaring, they now want to extend the tax cuts in order to help the economy....makes perfect sense.... :fp2:

After all, taxes were higher under Clinton, and the economy better, so raising taxes would help the economy. :bunny:
What do you expect with the midterms coming up? At best, they'll delay any taxing till after the vote... my own guesstimate would be that Obie would wait till he gets his second term before dropping the hot potato and ruining biden's presidential hopes.
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