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Post by Ian » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:12 pm

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Here we go again - you just simply avoid the issue. You make some general pronouncement, and then run off with a "do the research" comment as your sole basis.

Hey - we all have biases. That's what discussion in a forum is all about. There's quite a load of bias on your end, and many others in this and other forums.

You're right, of course - Obama should be free from any jokes. If it's not a crack at Palin or Bush, then it's just beyond the pale. I, of course, have been so biased that I have also posted joke items about Bush, and Palin and other Republicans. I've even had a conversation quite recently on my extreme distaste for Palin and Huckabee. That's because I'm so "biased."

But, do go ahead with your unbiased whining about how a couple of demotivational posters appeared before your eyes, injuring your delicate constitution with their snarky mocking of the President....because after all...you have no bias.... :bunny:
I never said Obama should be free of all jokes, smartguy. Nor did I say I have no biases, smartguy. Nor did I say that only Plain or Bush deserve cracks, smartguy.

But twist my words however you like if it makes me sound irrational, thereby making your comeback sound like perfect sense.

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Post by Feck » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:22 pm

If the American people vote in Palin I might never stop laughing ...
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Post by Ian » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:23 pm

Feck wrote:If the American people vote in Palin I might never stop laughing ...
We can laugh together. If she's ever voted President, I'll be leaving the country. Maybe I'll move to the UK. ;)

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:32 pm

Ian wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Here we go again - you just simply avoid the issue. You make some general pronouncement, and then run off with a "do the research" comment as your sole basis.

Hey - we all have biases. That's what discussion in a forum is all about. There's quite a load of bias on your end, and many others in this and other forums.

You're right, of course - Obama should be free from any jokes. If it's not a crack at Palin or Bush, then it's just beyond the pale. I, of course, have been so biased that I have also posted joke items about Bush, and Palin and other Republicans. I've even had a conversation quite recently on my extreme distaste for Palin and Huckabee. That's because I'm so "biased."

But, do go ahead with your unbiased whining about how a couple of demotivational posters appeared before your eyes, injuring your delicate constitution with their snarky mocking of the President....because after all...you have no bias.... :bunny:
I never said Obama should be free of all jokes, smartguy. Nor did I say I have no biases, smartguy. Nor did I say that only Plain or Bush deserve cracks, smartguy.

But twist my words however you like if it makes me sound irrational, thereby making your comeback sound like perfect sense.
You did call me, sarcastically, "Mr. objective analyst" because I had posted "snarky" demotivators about Obama. You were thereby accusing me of being in some way "not objective" - i.e. biased - because of the posting of those jokes. Thus, it's fair to conclude that you think they shouldn't have been posted, if one wants to remain "objective."

Look - something has set you off, and you're really acting very silly. Take some time to unbunch your panties. I never had anyone rush to Bush's or Palin's rescue like this when I posted crap about them either, and I've never seen any other White Knights riding to their rescue like you're doing for Obama. That's pretty common - I notice a high degree of sensitivity relative to jokes about Obama.

You can start discussing the issue anytime now. You've pissed and moaned about my radical format of actually responding to the points people make, all the while wasting several posts just cranking on me with your silly little "smartguy" and "pussy" comments. If that's what you want to do, then proceed. I'll just point out again that you could very well have by now provided some proof of this plethora of positive news that you have claimed I'm just ignoring, or ignorant of. I'll leave it to you whether your next comment will provide a link or two, or a citation or two, or whether you will simply continue with puerile crying about snarky demotivators and such.....

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:34 pm

Feck wrote:If the American people vote in Palin I might never stop laughing ...
It will be the end of civilization, I think. But, that's just me. I'm biased.

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Post by Feck » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:38 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Feck wrote:If the American people vote in Palin I might never stop laughing ...
It will be the end of civilization, I think. But, that's just me. I'm biased.
Yeah we had noticed you think Merika is a civilised country :hehe:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:49 pm

Feck wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Feck wrote:If the American people vote in Palin I might never stop laughing ...
It will be the end of civilization, I think. But, that's just me. I'm biased.
Yeah we had noticed you think Merika is a civilised country :hehe:
Civilized? No, we just seem that way because of our decent hygiene habits, and our straight, white teeth. :biggrin:

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Post by sandinista » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:19 pm

Feck wrote:If the American people vote in Palin I might never stop laughing ...
:ditto: :funny:
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Post by Ian » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:43 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote: You can start discussing the issue anytime now. You've pissed and moaned about my radical format of actually responding to the points people make, all the while wasting several posts just cranking on me with your silly little "smartguy" and "pussy" comments. If that's what you want to do, then proceed. I'll just point out again that you could very well have by now provided some proof of this plethora of positive news that you have claimed I'm just ignoring, or ignorant of. I'll leave it to you whether your next comment will provide a link or two, or a citation or two, or whether you will simply continue with puerile crying about snarky demotivators and such.....
Ive been trying to drive home a point. I really don't like the format of your replies, regardless of the politics therein.

You can say "you post your way and I'll post mine", but your way of replying discourages from me from posting at all. That may be true of other members to some degree, I don't know. I would think that you'd be well aware that your method of replying to people inhibits their retorts. If you were honestly oblivious to how annoying this could be, then 1) I apologize, and 2) you're aware of it now.

So like I mentioned earlier, if you vow not to take my posts and shred them point by point and setnence by sentence, then maybe I'll post some of the data you always manage to overlook and we can have an actual discussion on the details of economic recovery or lack thereof. Until then, it's just too damn frustrating on my end, and I'm inclined to make nothing more than vague references to your being biased or ignorant of certain information rather than countering it with actual facts.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:17 pm

Ian wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: You can start discussing the issue anytime now. You've pissed and moaned about my radical format of actually responding to the points people make, all the while wasting several posts just cranking on me with your silly little "smartguy" and "pussy" comments. If that's what you want to do, then proceed. I'll just point out again that you could very well have by now provided some proof of this plethora of positive news that you have claimed I'm just ignoring, or ignorant of. I'll leave it to you whether your next comment will provide a link or two, or a citation or two, or whether you will simply continue with puerile crying about snarky demotivators and such.....
Ive been trying to drive home a point. I really don't like the format of your replies, regardless of the politics therein.
No need to drive that point home. Just saying it once is sufficient. In case it hasn't sunk in yet, let me state: "Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck." :biggrin:
Ian wrote: You can say "you post your way and I'll post mine", but your way of replying discourages from me from posting at all. That may be true of other members to some degree, I don't know. I would think that you'd be well aware that your method of replying to people inhibits their retorts. If you were honestly oblivious to how annoying this could be, then 1) I apologize, and 2) you're aware of it now.
Whatever. Many members post and reply in precisely the same manner. It's logical, and it makes sense. It also allows for points to be handled methodically, not scattershot, as you apparently prefer. Don't think that because you are saying that you are discouraged that that applies to everyone.

Frankly, yours is a silly objection. However I choose to respond (which is sometimes point by point, and sometimes in single posts), you are free to respond as you see fit, or not at all, which may be just as well. I've had some folks simply reply at the bottom of my posts, incorporating their points into one long post, rather than broken up point by point. That's the way they decide to do it. Others go point by point. I wouldn't presume to tell them how to post, and frankly, while it can be a bit discouraging to respond to single posts that are not point-by-point, because it tends to create vagueness and imprecision, I deal with it.
Ian wrote:
So like I mentioned earlier, if you vow not to take my posts and shred them point by point and setnence by sentence, then maybe I'll post some of the data you always manage to overlook and we can have an actual discussion on the details of economic recovery or lack thereof. Until then, it's just too damn frustrating on my end, and I'm inclined to make nothing more than vague references to your being biased or ignorant of certain information rather than countering it with actual facts.
Your responses are not important enough to me to want to give my word about how I respond. I might forget, and address points serially, rather than in toto, and thereby offend you in some way. I'd prefer to just be grown ups about it and if we're going to debate something, then let's debate it.

I'm positive that I keep my biases in check by always trying to double check and be skeptical of claims, particularly unsubstantiated ones. I am also confident that while not "all knowing," I am certainly a well-informed person. If you think I missed something, then by all means, post it. If you require assurances that I will only handle the information in a way you deem acceptable, you're not going to get them. I wouldn't presume to tell you to only answer my posts issue by issue.

Now enough of this girl-talk. If you care to debate, let's do. If not, then best of luck to you.

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Post by Ian » Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:49 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote: Now enough of this girl-talk. If you care to debate, let's do. If not, then best of luck to you.
Jolly good. Nice that we can come to some sort of understanding. I'll be happy to debate the facts and trends of US economic recovery with you - but not tonight. You see, I've been putting away quite a few beers and I'm in no condition for such a serious discussion. perhaps tomorrow though. :drunk:

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Post by affirmedatheist » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:40 am

As someone sitting on the outside looking in, I have a few observations to make.

There's a real danger in this downturn (which could turn really ugly if oil chooses now to peak - if this occurs, we'd likely see a depression-inflation scenario). There's a not insignificant lurch towards severe nationalism. Alternately you may be fortunate and see a hung congress. If palin's polling at 42%, she might certainly be able to get over the line for president, which surely would sound the death knell for freedom of thought.

Obama's polling is looking dire from here, a bit like Rudd's here before he was knifed, but of course this can't happen to Obama.

If the US is to survive, it has to withdraw into itself militarily. It can no longer afford to be the global sherriff, which will leave a dangerous power vacuum over the next 20 years. I predict war.

These are just thoughts. I am just as likely to be wrong as right.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:11 pm

Time Magazine: Barack Obama is Mr. Unpopular: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 29,00.html

Joe Donnelly, Elkhart's pro-life, pro-gun Democratic Congressman, worked the crowd. He was part of the moderate wave that won Congress for Nancy Pelosi in '06, and he was re-elected with 67% of the vote while campaigning for Obama in '08. The President has since returned to the region three times, but Donnelly is nonetheless fighting for his political life. In a recent television ad, an unflattering photo of Obama and Pelosi flashes while Donnelly condemns "the Washington crowd." This is basically a Democratic campaign slogan now: Don't blame me for Obama and Pelosi. "I'm not one of them," Donnelly told me when I caught up with him. "I'm one of us."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z0yTJa5L7B
The plunge has been particularly dramatic among independents, whites and those under age 30. With midterm elections just nine weeks off, instead of the generational transformation some Democrats predicted after 2008, the President's party teeters on the brink of a broad setback in November, including the possible loss of both houses of Congress. By a 10-point margin, people say they will vote for Republicans over Democrats in Congress, the largest such gap ever recorded by Gallup.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z0yTJmqzFO

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:15 pm

[quote]A sense of disappointment, bordering on betrayal, has been growing across the country, especially in moderate states like Indiana, where people now openly say they didn't quite understand the President they voted for in 2008. The fear most often expressed is that Obama is taking the country somewhere they don't want to go. "We bought what he said. He offered a lot of hope," says Fred Ferlic, an Obama voter and orthopedic surgeon in South Bend who has since soured on his choice. Ferlic talks about the messy compromises in health care reform, his sense of an inhospitable business climate and the growth of government spending under Obama. "He's trying to Europeanize us, and the Europeans are going the other way," continues Ferlic, a former Democratic campaign donor who plans to vote Republican this year. "The entire American spirit is being broken."[/quote]

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z0yTK7KIcY


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