A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
I was just showing the "problems with the rigid, uptight atmosphere that exists at ratskep that you and GS have run into. "
If I said that stuff, and wasn't joking, and it was on a serious thread, would it be permissible here Mods?
If I said that stuff, and wasn't joking, and it was on a serious thread, would it be permissible here Mods?
Я пью за разоренный дом,
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
Here, the clique is furiously and relentlessly at work:Gertie wrote:Even I'm bored shitless of this thread now.
Any chance of some decent drama folks, a proper inter-forum shitstorm preferably?
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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
Gertie wrote:Even I'm bored shitless of this thread now.
Any chance of some decent drama folks, a proper inter-forum shitstorm preferably?
Sorry, I don't have any drama to give. Or at least I hope not.
Я пью за разоренный дом,
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
"There" and "here" are two different places. RatSkep has a lot more what I'll label "serious" discussion: current affairs, news, opinion, religion - things that people will have huge disagreements over, and get emotional about. That happens here too, but to a far lesser extent (and most often it's about internal stuff!): people have had suspensions here too, but Ratz is much smaller too, so it doesn't happen as frequently.Imagination Theory wrote:You think it is duller but I think it is better. I guess that is why I am more over there and you more over here. *Shrugs*
Two places, two different circumstances.

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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
I think so, even though I'm not a big fan of kiki's posts. Kiki was basically baited into breaking the rules by one of the people against whom the moderators do not enforce the rules. If the moderators there enforced the rules uniformly, it would be a different situation, but using the rules as a weapon to get rid of people they don't like while people they do like are allowed to ignore the rules without consequences - yes, that's unfair.Imagination Theory wrote:Yeah, I thought so. It is still against the rules though. You didn't think it was unfair of them to do, did you?
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Yeah, I know. And I like the first much better. All the members here, at least that I can tell,Thinking Aloud wrote:"There" and "here" are two different places. RatSkep has a lot more what I'll label "serious" discussion: current affairs, news, opinion, religion - things that people will have huge disagreements over, and get emotional about. That happens here too, but to a far lesser extent (and most often it's about internal stuff!): people have had suspensions here too, but Ratz is much smaller too, so it doesn't happen as frequently.Imagination Theory wrote:You think it is duller but I think it is better. I guess that is why I am more over there and you more over here. *Shrugs*
Two places, two different circumstances.

I'm a little bored with the discussions and threads here though. I'm glad that so many people like it here and enjoy it. We are all different people and I hope we can fine are right forum. Rationalskepticism.org is mine.

(I'm also I member of like six other forums, 'cuz I'm MPD.

Я пью за разоренный дом,
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
Imagination Theory, I don't know why you say you are "sorry," but let me see if I can give you a definition of "strong"...
How about believing in what you believe and being willing to fight for it? How about being loving and kind, as opposed to hateful and angry? How about being being loyal and honorable, to yourself and others, to those things you know to be true? How about having the balls to admit that you have been narrow-minded, rigid and irrational? How about being able to leap tall buildings in a single bounce and changing the course of mighty rivers?
OK, I'm not saying that's a complete and total definition of "strong," but that should at least get us into the ballpark. Let's see if anybody else has anything to add to the list.
How about believing in what you believe and being willing to fight for it? How about being loving and kind, as opposed to hateful and angry? How about being being loyal and honorable, to yourself and others, to those things you know to be true? How about having the balls to admit that you have been narrow-minded, rigid and irrational? How about being able to leap tall buildings in a single bounce and changing the course of mighty rivers?
OK, I'm not saying that's a complete and total definition of "strong," but that should at least get us into the ballpark. Let's see if anybody else has anything to add to the list.
Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
We all done got some fuckin' drama in us bro!!Imagination Theory wrote:Gertie wrote:Even I'm bored shitless of this thread now.
Any chance of some decent drama folks, a proper inter-forum shitstorm preferably?
Sorry, I don't have any drama to give. Or at least I hope not.

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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
That sounds like a conspiracy theory.Warren Dew wrote:I think so, even though I'm not a big fan of kiki's posts. Kiki was basically baited into breaking the rules by one of the people against whom the moderators do not enforce the rules. If the moderators there enforced the rules uniformly, it would be a different situation, but using the rules as a weapon to get rid of people they don't like while people they do like are allowed to ignore the rules without consequences - yes, that's unfair.Imagination Theory wrote:Yeah, I thought so. It is still against the rules though. You didn't think it was unfair of them to do, did you?
Could you back it up?
I've been baited before, I just ignored it though and followed the FUA (which I agreed to do).
So Kiki was "basically" baited. She broke the rules. If she really wanted to say something back she could have PM'd the person who "basically" baited her. She wanted to say that on purpose though, she just write that above. And you're trying to tie the blame with another member and the Mods. Right.

Я пью за разоренный дом,
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
Gertie wrote:We all done got some fuckin' drama in us bro!!Imagination Theory wrote:Gertie wrote:Even I'm bored shitless of this thread now.
Any chance of some decent drama folks, a proper inter-forum shitstorm preferably?
Sorry, I don't have any drama to give. Or at least I hope not.

Eww! Would did you get that smiley?
Я пью за разоренный дом,
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
За злую жизнь мою,
За одиночество вдвоем,
И за тебя я пью, -
За ложь меня предавших губ,
За мертвый холод глаз,
За то, что мир жесток и груб,
За то, что Бог не спас.
Последний тост ~ 27 июня 1934
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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
No I wouldn't. Why do you say things like you know me? I never pm anyone to complain, nor have I (but once, and that was cause they reported me and I got annoyed) never report anyone.IT: So Kiki was "basically" baited. She broke the rules. If she really wanted to say something back she could have PM'd the person who "basically" baited her. She wanted to say that on purpose though, she just write that above. And you're trying to tie the blame with another member and the Mods. Right.
But I started getting really pissed when people were reporting me left and right. I couldn't say anything. They were pressing those report buttons like hot cakes. But when those same people insulted me, they felt they were above it all. When I responded to their insult they reported me. So they can insult me but when I retaliate then it's abuse? WTF!!! I still didn't report cause I think it's childish. But it got so damn annoying it was ridiculous that it got me mad.
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Just go through and collect all the formal and informal warnings against various personalities on the forum. You'll find that the ratio of formal warnings to informal warnings is very low for the favored posters, much lower than for the posters the moderators generally dislike.Imagination Theory wrote:That sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Could you back it up?
Again, if everyone got formal warnings when they broke the rules, that would be fine with me. When it's only people with certain subsets of views, that's a problem. I don't agree with kiki on the mosque, for example, but she did add things to the discussion, in particular citing the French experience, that provided a perspective I hadn't thought of and that I learned from. When minority views like that are effectively quashed, the forum is no longer a place where rational skeptics like me can learn, and it loses its value to us.So Kiki was "basically" baited. She broke the rules.
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Warren Dew wrote:Just go through and collect all the formal and informal warnings against various personalities on the forum. You'll find that the ratio of formal warnings to informal warnings is very low for the favored posters, much lower than for the posters the moderators generally dislike.Imagination Theory wrote:That sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Could you back it up?
Again, if everyone got formal warnings when they broke the rules, that would be fine with me. When it's only people with certain subsets of views, that's a problem. I don't agree with kiki on the mosque, for example, but she did add things to the discussion, in particular citing the French experience, that provided a perspective I hadn't thought of and that I learned from. When minority views like that are effectively quashed, the forum is no longer a place where rational skeptics like me can learn, and it loses its value to us.So Kiki was "basically" baited. She broke the rules.


Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
Imagination Theory wrote:I was just showing the "problems with the rigid, uptight atmosphere that exists at ratskep that you and GS have run into. "
If I said that stuff, and wasn't joking, and it was on a serious thread, would it be permissible here Mods?
It would be permissable here. Hell, you could come on to this forum and bitch about this forum, we do it all the time. The only things not allowed are targeted attacks at individual members and illegal content, really.
Secondly, it's a fact of the internets. Favoured members of any internet board are going to be treated more fairly by the mods, and vice versa more favoured mods are more likely to be excused for their shit by the members.
Also... the fuck?


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Re: A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent
Cheers for that. But truth be told, I don't actually care what Hitchens had to say, as it has nothing to do with ratskep. And besides, many of us think Hitchens is a dick.leo-rcc wrote:I've looked up the transcipt for you.rEvolutionist wrote:Sorry, I don't watch vid's online (crap internet connection)
Source: http://www.amindatplay.eu/2009/12/02/in ... ranscript/Christopher Hitchens @ Intelligence Squared debate wrote:Now I’m sorry to have to begin by disagreeing with His Grace. If you’re going to be a serious grown-up person, and appear to defend the Catholic church in public in front of an educated and literate audience, you simply have to start by making a great number of heartfelt apologies and requests for contrition and forgiveness.
Now you might ask, you’re fully entitled to ask, brothers and sisters, who am I to say that? Well, in the jubilee millennium year of 2000 the Vatican spokesman Bishop Piero Marini said, explaining a whole sermon of apology given by His Holiness the Pope, given the number of sins we’ve committed in the course of twenty centuries, reference to them must necessarily be rather summary. Well I think Bishop Marini had that just about right, I’ll have to be summary, too. His Holiness on that occasion—it was March the 12th, 2000, if you wish to look it up—begged forgiveness for, among some other things, the crusades, the Inquisition, the persecution of the Jewish people, in justice towards women, that’s half the human race right there, and the forced conversion of indigenous peoples, especially in South America, the African slave trade, the admission that Galileo was right, and for silence during Hitler’s Final Solution or Shoah. And it doesn’t end there, there are smaller but significant—equally significant—avowals of a very bad conscience. These have included regret for the rape and torture of orphans and other children in church-run schools in almost every country on Earth, from Ireland to Australia.
These are very serious matters, and they’re not to be laughed off by the references to the occasional work of Catholic charities. But I draw you attention not just to the apologies, ladies and gentlemen, but to the evasive and euphemistic form that they take. Joseph Ratzinger, the current Pope, considered by some, considered by Catholics to be the Vicar of Christ on Earth, in his comment, one of the few he’s made on the institutionalisation of rape and torture and maltreatment of children in Catholic institutions, he said it’s a very severe crisis which involves us, he said, in the following: in the need for applying to these victims the most loving, pastoral care. Well I’m sorry, they’ve already had that, and to say that this is the response to be laid upon you, by the horrific admission that you’ve already had to make is not accepting responsibility in any adult sense. The same euphemism comes, in the term some Christians allow themselves to be deceived in this way and to act against the gospel, well, anti-Semitism was preached as an official doctrine of the Church until 1964.
Do you think that might have something to do with public opinion in Austria, and Bavaria, and Poland, and Lithuania? There’ll come a time, when the church will issue apologies, and explanations, and half-baked appeals for forgiveness for things it’s still doing. I think that there will be an apology for what happened in Rwanda, the most Catholic country in Africa, where priests and nuns and bishops are on trial, for inciting from their pulpits and on the Church’s radio stations and newspapers, the massacre of their brothers and sisters. Staying in Africa, I think it will one day be admitted with shame that it might have been in error to say that AIDS is bad as a disease, very bad, but not quite as bad as condoms are bad, or not as immoral in the same way. I say it in the presence of His Grace, and I say it to his face, the teachings of his church are responsible for the death and suffering and misery of his brother and sister Africans, and he should apologise for it, he should show some shame. For condemning my friend Stephen Fry for his nature, for saying you couldn’t be a member of our church, you’re born in sin. He’s not being condemned for what he does, he’s being condemned for what he is. You’re a child made in the image of God – oh no, you’re not, you’re a faggot, and you can’t join our church and you can’t go to heaven. This is disgraceful, it’s inhuman, it’s obscene, and it comes from a clutch of hysterical, sinister virgins, who’ve already betrayed their charge in the children of their own church. For shame! For shame!
I don’t wish any ill on any fellow primate or mammal of mine, so I don’t at all look forward to the death of Joseph Ratzinger, I don’t, or any other bloke, not really, except for one tiny reason which I ought to confess and share with you. When he dies, there’s quite a long interval till the conclave can meet, and for that whole time, that whole interval—it is a delicious, lucid interlude—there isn’t anyone on Earth who claims to be infallible. Isn’t that nice? All I think, all I want to propose in closing is this: that if the human species is to rise to the full height that’s demanded by its dignity, and by its intelligence, we must all of us move to a state of affairs, where that condition is permanent, and I think we should get on with it. Okay, thank you for having me.
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