Poetry?...meh..

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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by Tigger » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:12 am

Possibly the best known Japanese haiku is Bashō's "old pond":

古池や 蛙飛込む 水の音

furuike ya kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto

This separates into on as:

fu-ru-i-ke ya (5)
ka-wa-zu to-bi-ko-mu (7)
mi-zu no o-to (5)

Translated:

old pond . . .
a frog leaps in
water’s sound


WHY?? :banghead:
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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by BlackBart » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:25 am

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to the lonely sea and the sky;
I left my shoes and socks there -
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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by Beelzebub2 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:40 am

Tigger wrote:Possibly the best known Japanese haiku is Bashō's "old pond":

古池や 蛙飛込む 水の音

furuike ya kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto

This separates into on as:

(5)
ka-wa-zu to-bi-ko-mu (7)
mi-zu no o-to (5)

Translated:

old pond . . .
a frog leaps in
water’s sound


WHY?? :banghead:
If you don't like haiku, Senryū can be a bit more fun, since it's about human foibles, and is often cynical or darkly humorous while haiku tend to be about nature and is more serious:

dorobō wo
toraete mireba
wagako nari

The robber,
when I catch,
my own son


Haiku is all about zen and nature but probably not everyone's cup of tea, especially not Japanese cap of tea, with the practise of making and drinking tea developed to art and ceremony. :dono:

Alternative translation of "fu-ru-i-ke ya" is:

an ancient pond
a frog jumps in
the splash of water

And while Basho is the most famous of 4 great haibuns, he isn't necessarily most popular or understood. My favourite is Kobayashi Issa:

In the cherry blossom's shade
there's no such thing
as a stranger.

Pissing in the snow
outside my door--
it makes a very straight hole.

In this world
we walk on the roof of hell,
gazing at flowers.

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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by Tigger » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:13 am

I have
no real clue
why I dislike it
so very much however
I can't bring myself to care a little at all.

See made up with prime numbers. Looks as good as the other stuff. And it's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
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Post by Svartalf » Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:46 pm

Feck wrote:Well at least nobody has mentioned Burns :roll:

And as for Haiku and sonnets .....i'm not sure that a terrible pun becomes any more worthy if it is constrained by the rules of limerick.
You mean I SHOULD have mentioned that Burns was one of the four poetry books I own? :mrgreen:
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Post by Feck » Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:07 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Feck wrote:Well at least nobody has mentioned Burns :roll:

And as for Haiku and sonnets .....i'm not sure that a terrible pun becomes any more worthy if it is constrained by the rules of limerick.
You mean I SHOULD have mentioned that Burns was one of the four poetry books I own? :mrgreen:
Well you have now ....If you tell me at least one of the others is Baudelaire then I won't mock you.
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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by Svartalf » Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:40 pm

Feck wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Feck wrote:Well at least nobody has mentioned Burns :roll:

And as for Haiku and sonnets .....i'm not sure that a terrible pun becomes any more worthy if it is constrained by the rules of limerick.
You mean I SHOULD have mentioned that Burns was one of the four poetry books I own? :mrgreen:
Well you have now ....If you tell me at least one of the others is Baudelaire then I won't mock you.
Actually the complete list is
-Baudelaire's Les Fleurs du Mal
-the Complete Works of Robert Burns
-TS Eliot Cats
and the Complete Stories and Poems of Edgar Poe, which I got solely for the sake of the stories, but could only get those in an edition that bundled them with the darn poetry.
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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by Pappa » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:54 pm

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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by Pappa » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:59 pm

rachelbean wrote: I agree. Then again I love Jack Kerouac which evidently is not too cool these days :dono:
I loved Dharma Bums, but never got into On The Road enough to ever finish it. It was so long ago, I don't remember the plot now. :dono:

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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by Tigger » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:00 pm

Pappa wrote:
Tigger wrote: Sorry too, Pappa. Do you still love me? :flowers: :begging:
:cuddle: Of course. :biggrin:
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Post by Pappa » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:03 pm

Beelzebub2 wrote: If you don't like haiku, Senryū can be a bit more fun, since it's about human foibles, and is often cynical or darkly humorous while haiku tend to be about nature and is more serious:

dorobō wo
toraete mireba
wagako nari

The robber,
when I catch,
my own son


Haiku is all about zen and nature but probably not everyone's cup of tea, especially not Japanese cap of tea, with the practise of making and drinking tea developed to art and ceremony. :dono:

Alternative translation of "fu-ru-i-ke ya" is:

an ancient pond
a frog jumps in
the splash of water

And while Basho is the most famous of 4 great haibuns, he isn't necessarily most popular or understood. My favourite is Kobayashi Issa:

In the cherry blossom's shade
there's no such thing
as a stranger.

Pissing in the snow
outside my door--
it makes a very straight hole.

In this world
we walk on the roof of hell,
gazing at flowers.
And of course, don't forget the wonderful poetry of Taigu Ryokan (which a totally brilliant person introduced me to). :biggrin:

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:11 pm

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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by Beelzebub2 » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:34 pm

Pappa wrote:
Beelzebub2 wrote: If you don't like haiku, Senryū can be a bit more fun, since it's about human foibles, and is often cynical or darkly humorous while haiku tend to be about nature and is more serious:

dorobō wo
toraete mireba
wagako nari

The robber,
when I catch,
my own son


Haiku is all about zen and nature but probably not everyone's cup of tea, especially not Japanese cap of tea, with the practise of making and drinking tea developed to art and ceremony. :dono:

Alternative translation of "fu-ru-i-ke ya" is:

an ancient pond
a frog jumps in
the splash of water

And while Basho is the most famous of 4 great haibuns, he isn't necessarily most popular or understood. My favourite is Kobayashi Issa:

In the cherry blossom's shade
there's no such thing
as a stranger.

Pissing in the snow
outside my door--
it makes a very straight hole.

In this world
we walk on the roof of hell,
gazing at flowers.
And of course, don't forget the wonderful poetry of Taigu Ryokan (which a totally brilliant person introduced me to). :biggrin:
:biggrin:

Not to mention great haikus Pappa's been writing. :biggrin: Can't wait to see the anthology. :tup:

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    only by the adventure was he understated
    reading the bill of implications
    Uncle Ben wrestled the dinner from my ips

    If the coffers were dry I would whittle a goat
    tying a pair of socks to a light
    if only it was that easy to piss on someone's chips

    the Australians new that the sport was broken
    the shares had depreciated
    and my apology brought only a yoghurt of pain
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Re: Poetry?...meh..

Post by Pappa » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:01 pm

Beelzebub2 wrote:Not to mention great haikus Pappa's been writing. :biggrin: Can't wait to see the anthology. :tup:
I seem to be going through a haiku dry spell. :dono:
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