FAO Geoff! Let the LotR debate begin!

[Elessarina]

why?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

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[Coito ergo sum]

Four posts were moved here from the John Carter of Mars thread: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=35827

Well, even jackson did manage to wander quite too far from the 0 deviation point, and that disney PoS deserved to tank, too bad the outfit is so rich that the loss won't be felt.

The things, off the top of my head, that I didn't like about LOTR included:

1. The interminable ending, in slow motion -- way overdone.
2. The skipping of Tom Bombadil (although I get it - it really doesn't change the plot at all)
3. The skipping of the part where the group gets caught up with the Barrow Wights and that's where they pick up some swords and stuff.
4. The entire scene where the Nazgul are attacking them on that hill, when Frodo gets stabbed. It doesn't make sense that they could be chased off so easily when in all other instances they are so powerful.
5. The skipping of the scene after they get passed the spider on the way into Mordor when they are running around the guardposts of the orcs in Mordor.
6. The condensing of the scenes involving Saruman and Grima Wormtongue in the tower, etc.
7. The skipping of the scouring of the shire, when Saruman, deprived of power, went to the Shire.

I guess my main complaint is that the 3 movies of about 10 total hours or more wasn't long enough...lol.

[Svartalf]

Well, even jackson did manage to wander quite too far from the 0 deviation point, and that disney PoS deserved to tank, too bad the outfit is so rich that the loss won't be felt.

The things, off the top of my head, that I didn't like about LOTR included:

1. The interminable ending, in slow motion -- way overdone.
2. The skipping of Tom Bombadil (although I get it - it really doesn't change the plot at all)
3. The skipping of the part where the group gets caught up with the Barrow Wights and that's where they pick up some swords and stuff.
4. The entire scene where the Nazgul are attacking them on that hill, when Frodo gets stabbed. It doesn't make sense that they could be chased off so easily when in all other instances they are so powerful.
5. The skipping of the scene after they get passed the spider on the way into Mordor when they are running around the guardposts of the orcs in Mordor.
6. The condensing of the scenes involving Saruman and Grima Wormtongue in the tower, etc.
7. The skipping of the scouring of the shire, when Saruman, deprived of power, went to the Shire.

I guess my main complaint is that the 3 movies of about 10 total hours or more wasn't long enough...lol.

I don't remember all the passages when I want to take every person responsible and slap them till they beg pardon... but even though I repealed the general death sentence after seeing the extended versions, I still want the heads of the scriptwriter and visual effects people responsible for the cave troll scene in Moria... that's one scene where sticking to the original (Frodo gets stabbed by an orc's spear) would have been better, since, in that scene, mithril shirt or not, that kind of impact should have yielded pureed Frodo.
Same for whatever moron wrote so much arwen material into the story, and whoever cast that tyler chit for the part.

I didliked much of the bits involving Frodo and Sam on the way to Mt Doom... slow and dreary, very true to the book, but then again, that's why those portions of the book I tended to read diagonal wise.

I hated the skipping of Tom Bombadil and the Barrow downs in the theatrical cut of the movie (no Dunadan daggers DO influence the plot since I doubt Merry could have hamstrung The Lord of the Nine with a mundane weapon), but that was neatly sidelined when those knives come back in the scen of Galadriel's gifts.

The scene on Amon Sûl is true to the book, the wraiths ARE powerful, which doesn't prevent them from having severe pyrophobia.

The bit about Saruman and Grima didn't bother me too much... nip in the bud the need to do the Reconquest of the Shire (unless you're a big fan of that passage of course) handled fairly elegantly. I mean, sure, it could have been nice, but do you want to add another hour or hour and a half to something as long as Return of the King?
and yeah, they COULD have done it over 4 or 5 films... then again, I suspect that the producers might have gotten cold feet about anything longer than a trilogy, and recruiting actors for that much of a commitment might have been a bit harder.

[JimC]

Well, even jackson did manage to wander quite too far from the 0 deviation point, and that disney PoS deserved to tank, too bad the outfit is so rich that the loss won't be felt.

The things, off the top of my head, that I didn't like about LOTR included:

1. The interminable ending, in slow motion -- way overdone.
2. The skipping of Tom Bombadil (although I get it - it really doesn't change the plot at all)
3. The skipping of the part where the group gets caught up with the Barrow Wights and that's where they pick up some swords and stuff.
4. The entire scene where the Nazgul are attacking them on that hill, when Frodo gets stabbed. It doesn't make sense that they could be chased off so easily when in all other instances they are so powerful.
5. The skipping of the scene after they get passed the spider on the way into Mordor when they are running around the guardposts of the orcs in Mordor.
6. The condensing of the scenes involving Saruman and Grima Wormtongue in the tower, etc.
7. The skipping of the scouring of the shire, when Saruman, deprived of power, went to the Shire.

I guess my main complaint is that the 3 movies of about 10 total hours or more wasn't long enough...lol.

Agreed, but also the addition of an elvish force to the defence of Helm's Deep...

[Svartalf]

Remind me, did this add something to the film? (like making Galadriel give knives to Pippin and Merry or having Grima murder Saruman did)

[Ronja]

Carry on...

[Elessarina]

I love all the movies and I don't think anyone could have done a better job than PJ.. he changed things in a way that one has to to make the transistion between page and screen..

Only thing that bothered me was Aragorn falling off the cliff in TTT.. silly and pointless..

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I love all the movies and I don't think anyone could have done a better job than PJ.. he changed things in a way that one has to to make the transistion between page and screen..

But has he set the bar too high for most moviemakers?

Only thing that bothered me was Aragorn falling off the cliff in TTT.. silly and pointless..

It produced drama, but didn't really carry the plot along. I would have been happy adding more material from Two Towers.

I think they put the Elves in Helm's Deep because they looked cool.

[Svartalf]

That was cool! Queen Noor was on The Colbert Report last night, and she knighted him. Check out the sword he produces to get knighted with!
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... queen-noor (Jump to 5:00 if you're in a hurry.)

Doesn't count, Andùril can only be used by the True Sovereign of Gondor to knight people.


And anyway, it's cooler to be made a Knight of Rochand... Forth Eorlingas !