How typical of you. I acknowledge that Bush spent too much money, which is precisely the allegation you made, and somehow you manage to take issue with me nevertheless.Martok wrote:How typical of you. You consider those things out of control spending but ignore Bush's two wars and his tax cuts which cost about 1 trillion each.Coito ergo sum wrote:
Yes, that's true. Bush never vetoed a spending Bill, and it caused a major problem. President Bush set a number of records in deficit spending: No Child Left Behind; 15 billion for AIDS relief in Africa (most ever spent to fight AIDS); federally funded embryonic stem cell research; and created (up until Obama's health care plan) the single biggest entitlement program in American history, the Medicare Prescription Bill. Bush pushed for and authorized Congress to spend like a drunken sailor.
He spent like a drunken sailor, and should not have.
Where did I blame Obama for "all" of that? I blame him for increasing spending beyond even the excesses of the prior administration.Martok wrote:Now, however, just when we thought it couldn't get worse, we have a President that is making Bush look like he was running the country on a shoestring budget. We'll probably break $1.55 trillion for the deficit this year. By the 2012 election it will probably be $16 trillion dollars in total national debt.
Here it is today:
And, it is going up at record pace of about $6 billion a day.![]()
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YOU want to blame Obama for all of that!!!
Upon Inauguration: $10,626,877,048,913Martok wrote:
How much was the debt when Obama took office?
As of May 19, 2010: $12,975,292,327,568
Increased by: $2,348,415,278,655
He is outspending FDR in real dollar.
I haven't defended Bush, so I don't know what the relevance is here. Are you saying that if Bush was an idiot, it's ok. for Obama to be a bigger idiot? It sure sounds like that's what you're saying.Martok wrote:
How much was the debt when Bush took office?
On the day Bush took office the national debt was $5.7 trillion. So, for round numbers sake, let's say that Congress under the Bush Presidency added $5 trillion in 8 years.
In 15 months, the Congress under Obama's stern hand has added nearly half of what was added to the debt in the entire 8 years of the Bush Administration. At this pace by September or October of 2011, the current batch of clowns will have managed to add the same amount to the national debt - in about 2 1/2 years - that was added in the previous 8.
There is no end in sight to the spending. You piss and moan about wars? Obama has EXPANDED the war in Afghanistan into Pakistan, and upped the number of troops there in a surge, and is spending MORE money than Bush did there. Obama has also reneged on his promise to draw down troops from Iraq, which he said he would do in 16 months. Next month is 16 months, and there are still about 130,000 troops in Iraq. He also reneged on his promise to close Guantanamo, and they've even stopped talking about it.
There is no end in sight for domestic spending either, with additional spending measures introduced constantly. By the 2012 elections, at the current pace, we are looking at $16 to $17 billion of total national debt.