Neoprog Posner sucks up to Chicoms

[JimC]

What the hell is a “Chicom”?

A cold war term for the Chinese Communists. Using it says much about one's political stance...

Yep, Ghengis Khan was a neoprog sissy...

[Toontown]

What the hell is a “Chicom”?

It's a rom-com about a ditzy Feng-Shui practitioner.

"Oh noes, why do you English people keep commenting on the stupid questions that the Irish people ask?"

...Saved you the effort, Toontown.

As the British Empire faded, it sucked up to the Americans, as the American Empire fades, it's sucking up to the Chinese.....

That will change as soon as the population bomb sets in and the Chinese dust bowl sets in and China's already marginal capacity to feed it's mountainous hordes becomes dust in the wind:

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0 ... 64,00.html

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the breadbasket is getting lots of rain.

One of each 4 acres of cultivated U.S. land is for export, and we could produce and export even more, when overpopulation and scarcity drive food prices high enough. The day will come when Monkeyworld will be needing U.S. food like a hog needs slop. And need I remind you that it won't be the first time? U.S. farmers kept many of Monkeyworld's serial-world-war-starting asses from starving during and after WWII.

Perhaps the America-hating neoprogs have figured that out. Perhaps that's why they're on a crazy crusade to browbeat Americans into opening the U.S. borders to hordes of impoverished foreigners. The better to give the U.S. it's very own population problem, eh what, old chap?

[Toontown]

What the hell is a “Chicom”?

A cold war term for the Chinese Communists. Using it says much about one's political stance...

Yep, Ghengis Khan was a neoprog sissy...

Can't do anything except point fingers at the messenger? How typical.

You're wasting your time, BTW. I'm not ashamed of my political stance. You can shove your little peer-pressure ploy. I don't want to be in your little schoolboy clique.

[Clinton Huxley]

I believe we have a Stu-Com situation. Repeat, a Stu-Com situation.

[Toontown]

I believe we have a Stu-Com situation. Repeat, a Stu-Com situation.

What you have in Europe is a shitload-of-fucked-up-neoprogs situation. Every day the neoprog bucket goes to the well. One day the bottom will drop out.

[Clinton Huxley]

I believe we have a Stu-Com situation. Repeat, a Stu-Com situation.

What you have in Europe is a shitload-of-fucked-up-neoprogs situation. Every day the neoprog bucket goes to the well. One day the bottom will drop out.

Thanks for that in-depth analysis. Which thinktank do you work for, exactly?

[charlou]

Toontown, here are our forum guidelines: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3449

Have a good read and pay attention because you're skating on thin ice with your unwarranted aggression and personal attacks. This is a reminder to heed our guidelines.

[JimC]

What the hell is a “Chicom”?

A cold war term for the Chinese Communists. Using it says much about one's political stance...

Yep, Ghengis Khan was a neoprog sissy...

Can't do anything except point fingers at the messenger? How typical.

You're wasting your time, BTW. I'm not ashamed of my political stance. You can shove your little peer-pressure ploy. I don't want to be in your little schoolboy clique.

I am a proud centrist, sneering equally at your right-wing lunacy and the wide range of unbalanced leftists that post here as well!

A pox on all extremist houses!

[Twiglet]

Stating facts about Guantanamo and the Patriot Act isn't "Amerikka bashing", although it is absolutely typical of certain Americans to deliberately conflate remarks about US policy with anti-American sentiment. US law pertaining to detention and trial is not like the majority of nations, and in recent years US attitudes towards human rights have become far closer to those of China. The evidence for that rests in the failure to recognise the International Criminal Court, and the non-compliance with the Geneva convention for PoWs.

Still determined to make the thread be about Guantanamo, aren't you. Don't want it to be about Posner's hypocritical and false suck-up statement about the completely reasonable Arizona law, as per the OP.

The OP is a whine about how you feel your Senator is letting the US down. On the contrary. By acknowledging faults within the US system, the Senator is seeking to make it clear that he opposes the abuse of rights in his home country as well as elsewhere. A perfectly valid and diplomatic position, which, obviously from the tone of your OP, escaped you entirely. Unsurprising in the context of your next statement:

Well, you can stick it. There is nothing wrong with keeping POW's in a POW camp. If your precious little darling terrorists' countries of origin want them, they can have them. However, as has been pointed out repeatedly, their countries won't take them, because they are psychopathic killers. And in the case of a country like Saudi Arabia, returning their psychopaths would result in the psychopaths receiving very bad treatment.

First of all, the US does not consider Guantanamo inmates to be PoWs, whose treatment is governed by the Geneva convention. They are classed as enemy combatants, a linguistic turn of phrase coined by the Bush administration in an attempt to avoid that convention, to which the US is a signatory. Under Federal US law, the accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty and have a right to a fair trial, if they are criminals. But that isn't applied to Guantanamo inmates either. In fact, under the Patriot act, they are not treated as criminals or PoWs. Their guilt has never been established, although substantial evidence has come to light in many cases proving innocence.

I'm sure you know all this, but your dogmatic ideology drives you to stubbornly refuse to acknowledge it.

Then again, it's even easier to be a compulsive finger-pointer, as you people demonstrate, day in, day out, week after week, month after month, year after year.

Are you referring to me, or just generally people who put light on issues you'd rather sweep under the carpet?

But you don't obsessively criticize China's brutish human rights record day in, day out, week after week, month after month, year after year, do you. And you don't try to turn every thread into a China-bashing thread, do you.

This thread is about America and China. If you wanted to talk about other nations, you should have started a thread on them. But I suspect you would rather harp on your favourite hobbyhorse, "day in, day out, week after week, month after month, year after year" like a tired broken GOP record.

BTW, I do not accept your assumed premise that the U.S. has a particularly bad human rights record. That's another trick you people constantly pull. Assume a false premise, then pretend as if the false premise is written in stone.

Who cares what you "accept". I certainly don't. You've proven yourself impervious to fact and reason, so what you think is pretty much a random roll of the dice, and unlikely to change from whatever was originally rolled.

[JimC]

Mind you, in all the reaction against a right-wing rant, let's not forget the core of truth - China is an authoritarian dictatorship with barely a veneer of democracy. Its roots may be communist ideology, but they have soon mutated into the usual hominid dominance games, writ large...

[Twiglet]

Mind you, in all the reaction against a right-wing rant, let's not forget the core of truth - China is an authoritarian dictatorship with barely a veneer of democracy. Its roots may be communist ideology, but they have soon mutated into the usual hominid dominance games, writ large...

For sure Jim, it's not a competition in the horror parade. Put is a positive light, all people of good conscience should speak up against injustice and the abuse of rights IMO. From what I read of the OP, that's what the Senator was doing. Making allies against issues rather than stomping his feet and lecturing the Chinese "as an American".

I would take a stunning level of political naivety to assume moral high ground on human rights as an American or a Britain, for that matter, right now. Whatever domestic fodder has been put out for mass consumption, the reality of extrajudicial killing under occupation in Iraq makes a mockery of all other statistics about the death penalty or state sponsored killing, and acts of terrorism, as anyone living in the uk knows only to well - are criminal acts which should incur criminal penalties even when they are politically motivated.

My objection to the OP springs from the incredible myopia in how the US is perceived elsewhere, or why such perceptions exists.

[Toontown]

The OP is a whine about how you feel your Senator is letting the US down. On the contrary. By acknowledging faults within the US system, the Senator is seeking to make it clear that he opposes the abuse of rights in his home country as well as elsewhere. A perfectly valid and diplomatic position, which, obviously from the tone of your OP, escaped you entirely. Unsurprising in the context of your next statement:

Utterly predictably, you assume a false premise, then try to fob it off as gospel truth. Well, it's not going to work this time.

There is no "human rights abuse" in the Arizona law. Every country has a an incontestable right to keep unwanted, undocumented foreigners and criminals out, and nearly all countries have such laws and do routinely enforce them. With the exception of a few failed states, and possibly Australia, based on what I was told by another Aussie, assuming he wasn't being deceptive as usual.

First of all, the US does not consider Guantanamo inmates to be PoWs, whose treatment is governed by the Geneva convention. They are classed as enemy combatants, a linguistic turn of phrase coined by the Bush administration in an attempt to avoid that convention, to which the US is a signatory. Under Federal US law, the accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty and have a right to a fair trial, if they are criminals. But that isn't applied to Guantanamo inmates either. In fact, under the Patriot act, they are not treated as criminals or PoWs. Their guilt has never been established, although substantial evidence has come to light in many cases proving innocence.

Again, you assume a false premise, hoping to fob it off as gospel truth. Again, it's not going to work.

You falsely assume they are correctly classified as criminals, obviously for the unjust propagandistic purpose of conveniently claiming the "criminals" have not been charged with any "crimes". How fucking convenient, and how typically dishonest.

There was no classification for international terrorists who do not fight for a country, but instead fight for a terrorist organization - until the Bush administration correctly classified them as enemy combatants. They are classified for what they are and they are held and treated as prisoners of war. Just as they would be if they were fighting for a country.

You're the one who is playing the fucked up semantic games. When a country is attacked by unclassified terrorists, the country may correctly identify it's enemies and treat them as the enemies they in fact are. It's plain common sense - something quite foreign to the indoctrinated neoprog mind.

This thread is about America and China. If you wanted to talk about other nations, you should have started a thread on them. But I suspect you would rather harp on your favourite hobbyhorse, "day in, day out, week after week, month after month, year after year" like a tired broken GOP record.

No, you're not going to get away with that deceptive crap either. You're not telling me what my thread is about. The thread is about Posner's unwarranted smear against the people of Arizona. It is not another Amerikkka-bashing thread.

You are plainly and simply indulging in the usual neoprog tactic of trying to turn every thread into yet another tiresome, unjust, propagandistic Amerikkka-bashing orgy. You will stubbornly persist until the thread is inhabited only by neoprog zombies, no matter how thoroughly you are identified and thrashed in the process. I've seen it a thousand times. It's as predictable as the sun rising in the east.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So, Toon, any thing happening over at RationalSkepticism?

[Toontown]

So, Toon, any thing happening over at RationalSkepticism?

Fuck IrrationalSchizophrenia. The tomb is dominated by a few authoritarian zombies who attack en masse, stumbling stiffly forward, arms outstretched, uttering the same old tiresome moans, at the merest hint of dissent against the totalitarian neoprog line.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So, Toon, any thing happening over at RationalSkepticism?

Fuck IrrationalSchizophrenia. The tomb is dominated by a few authoritarian zombies who attack en masse, stumbling stiffly forward, arms outstretched, uttering the same old tiresome moans, at the merest hint of dissent against the totalitarian neoprog line.

So, refresh my memory, what did you get suspended for over there?