Violation of Arizona law to be illegally in the US!

[Coito ergo sum]

Oh-oh

Arizona’s new immigration law may have been aimed at deporting as many illegal immigrants as possible, but an ironic side effect will allow more undocumented residents to apply for temporary work visas and permanent U.S. citizenship, according to research by the Arizona Capitol Times.

The new law will add to a processing backlog that already has caused federal authorities to release an increasing number of illegal immigrants back into the U.S. to await deportation hearings. And if nationwide figures can be applied to Arizona, one in four of those who are released from federal custody fail to appear in court. (read more)

http://azcapitoltimes.com/blog/2010/05/ ... -citizens/

Why would that be an "uh oh?" Sounds good to me:

If more illegal immigrants are apprehended and processed through the federal system – which is expected to happen after Arizona’s immigration law takes effect on July 29 – then an even greater number would qualify for legal status.

Great! That would mean that formerly illegal aliens are now in the system. We'll know who they are and they are in process. If they are entitled to legal status, then great! More power to them. If they're not, or if they fail to demonstrate that they are lawfully present, then they'll get deported. That's the idea of the law.

But, if it's such a boon to illegal aliens, then why are the illegal aliens rioting against it?

[Martok]

Why would that be an "uh oh?" Sounds good to me:

Yeah, sure. It seems to me that since this law was targeted at Hispanics and supported by the republicans and teabaggers, any of these illegals that become citizens will remember that.

That doesn't bode well for your guys.

[Coito ergo sum]

Why would that be an "uh oh?" Sounds good to me:

Yeah, sure. It seems to me that since this law was targeted at Hispanics

It's not "targeted at hispanics." It's targeted at illegal aliens. There happen to be more Mexicans in Arizona than Canadians. Can you puzzle out why?

and supported by the republicans and teabaggers, any of these illegals that become citizens will remember that.

That doesn't bode well for your guys.

They're not my guys. I support the law, not the Republicans (and certainly not the tea baggers). The law, if you'd bother to read it instead of just knee-jerk making accusations about it, is perfectly reasonable, and doesn't even go as far as almost "every other western country" goes. If French and UK police can verify immigration status of a detainee, then why can't the Arizona police?

[Coito ergo sum]

Seniors are being asked to provide their birthdates, Social Security numbers and citizen status to the Secret Service so background checks could be performed. http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/ind ... t_eac.html

[Svartalf]

aah, the sweet smell of phishing scams...

[Coito ergo sum]

I find it really ridiculous that we're putting up with criticism from Mexico and the Mexican President about Arizona's law...when Mexico tracks all foreigners, requires they produce documents at any time, prohibits their political speech and expression, and openly discriminates. Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population). There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited. Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “Smash the State,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.” But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned.

In Mexico, non-citizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, Mexican statutes limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any). Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process.

Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

So, you know what? Mexico -

[Martok]

They're not my guys. I support the law, not the Republicans (and certainly not the tea baggers). The law, if you'd bother to read it instead of just knee-jerk making accusations about it, is perfectly reasonable, and doesn't even go as far as almost "every other western country" goes. If French and UK police can verify immigration status of a detainee, then why can't the Arizona police?

Ok, I'll give you guys immigration laws like France and the UK, and you can give us France and UK style health care.

Ah, the spirit of bipartisanship.

[Coito ergo sum]

They're not my guys. I support the law, not the Republicans (and certainly not the tea baggers). The law, if you'd bother to read it instead of just knee-jerk making accusations about it, is perfectly reasonable, and doesn't even go as far as almost "every other western country" goes. If French and UK police can verify immigration status of a detainee, then why can't the Arizona police?

Ok, I'll give you guys immigration laws like France and the UK, and you can give us France and UK style health care.

Ah, the spirit of bipartisanship.

Who is "you guys?" I'm not Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Teabagger - who are you lumping me in with now?

[Martok]

They're not my guys. I support the law, not the Republicans (and certainly not the tea baggers). The law, if you'd bother to read it instead of just knee-jerk making accusations about it, is perfectly reasonable, and doesn't even go as far as almost "every other western country" goes. If French and UK police can verify immigration status of a detainee, then why can't the Arizona police?

Ok, I'll give you guys immigration laws like France and the UK, and you can give us France and UK style health care.

Ah, the spirit of bipartisanship.

Who is "you guys?" I'm not Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Teabagger - who are you lumping me in with now?

Who did you vote for in 2008?

[Coito ergo sum]

They're not my guys. I support the law, not the Republicans (and certainly not the tea baggers). The law, if you'd bother to read it instead of just knee-jerk making accusations about it, is perfectly reasonable, and doesn't even go as far as almost "every other western country" goes. If French and UK police can verify immigration status of a detainee, then why can't the Arizona police?

Ok, I'll give you guys immigration laws like France and the UK, and you can give us France and UK style health care.

Ah, the spirit of bipartisanship.

Who is "you guys?" I'm not Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Teabagger - who are you lumping me in with now?

Who did you vote for in 2008?

For what political office? If you 're referring to the Presidential race, I did not vote for any candidate.

[Martok]

For what political office? If you 're referring to the Presidential race, I did not vote for any candidate.

I thought so.

[Coito ergo sum]

For what political office? If you 're referring to the Presidential race, I did not vote for any candidate.

I thought so.

So, what group are you lumping me in with again?

[Boyle]

I find it really ridiculous that we're putting up with criticism from Mexico and the Mexican President about Arizona's law...when Mexico tracks all foreigners, requires they produce documents at any time, prohibits their political speech and expression, and openly discriminates. Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population). There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited. Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “Smash the State,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.” But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned.

In Mexico, non-citizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, Mexican statutes limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any). Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process.

Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

So, you know what? Mexico -

Eh, Mexico has enough problems without wanting to deal with the impoverished from Guatemala, Belize, Nicaragua, Panama, etc. Just because they are willing to enforce their laws in a more draconian manner compared to ours doesn't make them hypocritical; it makes them smart. Of course they want our border open! If ours is open, they can tell the poor in Mexico that America is the light at the end of the tunnel and get rid of the problem that way.

Course, it isn't working exactly like that, but the idea is the same. If you don't want to deal with impoverished people, move them somewhere else, right?

[Coito ergo sum]

I find it really ridiculous that we're putting up with criticism from Mexico and the Mexican President about Arizona's law...when Mexico tracks all foreigners, requires they produce documents at any time, prohibits their political speech and expression, and openly discriminates. Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population). There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited. Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “Smash the State,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.” But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned.

In Mexico, non-citizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, Mexican statutes limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any). Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process.

Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

So, you know what? Mexico -

Eh, Mexico has enough problems without wanting to deal with the impoverished from Guatemala, Belize, Nicaragua, Panama, etc. Just because they are willing to enforce their laws in a more draconian manner compared to ours doesn't make them hypocritical; it makes them smart.

Dude - when you have a more stringent law than the one you're lambasting, you're a hypocrite.

Of course they want our border open!

It's hypocritical for them to criticize Arizona, when they have stricter laws than that, by far, in Mexico. And, it is disgusting and contemptible to give that scumbag a standing ovation.

If ours is open, they can tell the poor in Mexico that America is the light at the end of the tunnel and get rid of the problem that way.

And, you've just illustrated why the President of Mexico is a contemptible hypocrite who should not have been allowed to address the Congress. And, for the President to treat that douche bag with so much respect, but comparatively insult the former Prime Minister of the UK and the Prime Minister of Israel, is pathetic. A standing ovation for a douchebag who authorizes his police to randomly check immigration status, anytime, without suspicion, and enforces laws against freedom of speech for non-Mexicans, when he comes here and lambastes a far more reasonable measure by a far more open and inviting nation, shocks the conscience and should be repugnant to any thinking human.

Course, it isn't working exactly like that, but the idea is the same. If you don't want to deal with impoverished people, move them somewhere else, right?

It's not the responsibility of the United States to deal with Mexico's impoverished. If they wanted to deal with the problem, they could. They don't. They prefer to "move them somewhere else" right?

[drl2]

Manufactured messenger-shooting outrage from the Foxies, as usual, based in this case on outdated information (as opposed to just making stuff up, which they're better at.)

Mexican Congress votes to decriminalize illegal immigration

MEXICO CITY — Migrant rights activists applauded a vote by Mexico's Congress to remove long-standing
criminal penalties for undocumented migrants found in the country.

The measure passed unanimously in the lower house on Tuesday, a day after Senate approval. President
Felipe Calderón's office declined to say whether he would sign the popular measure into law.

Mexican lawmakers saw the harsh penalties as an anachronism, and some noted that Mexico also owes
migrants better treatment.
...

Mexico is backing off on its harsh immigration laws (with wildly popular support, I might add) while we're implementing what they've termed anachronisms.