More Evidences for God

[hackenslash]

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Cheryl Cole as evidence for god? Have you heard her speak? More importantly, have you heard her sing?!!

FAIL!

[leo-rcc]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...

Cheryl Cole as evidence for god? Have you heard her speak? More importantly, have you heard her sing?!!

FAIL!

It's not that bad. If Mandy had put Courtney Love forward as an example of beauty...

[mandy]

Tigger mate, it is you who ignored it. i told you WHO said its best to cut your dick.

The World Health Organization recommended circumcision after holding a consultative meeting of in March 2007 in Switzerland.

http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/news68/en/index.html

see, Allah was right. circumcision is good for your health. UN now agrees with Allah. chopping a bit of you willy makes you live longer. why are you so bovered about men who get it cut. does it hurt you even to think about the knife and the willy.

Psychoserenity:
Do you mean to say that you have already presented your very best and most convincing evidence and arguments? Because if that's the case, since you've convinced nobody, you might as well give up trying.

its up to you chaps to decide which evidence for God is best which is second best. but if you atheists want me to stop giving you proofs for existence of God then just tell me. i was answering members questions about women and stuff and it was Thinking Aloud fella who asked me to give him Allah. that is why i made other thread. after 1000 posts it was closed down by bella. the woman carries the locks.

Point to "beauty".

already did mate. did you not see it on the first page. you got to be blind now to see it mate. but i thinks you are pretending to be blind. you aint. you know cheryl is a beauty. so dont gimme that bollocks about there being no such thing is beauty. there is. duh.

No, water exists. Wetness is a property that things can have.

Wetness itself does not exist.

you must be having a laugh. ofcourse it exists. why do you think we dont like to get wet when it pours it down. my brolly is proof that it does exist.

Then you are changing your story.

You earlier have claimed that Allah is the creator.

Now you are saying that Iblis is a co-creator.

i never said no such thing mate. co creator bollocks is shirk. its a sin so say that.

Make up your mind.

Is Allah the creator, or is there more than one being with the power of creation?

i think you got mixed up. let me get it clear for you. Allah is the creator of the universe. but we can produce things as well. that dont mean we are creators like Allah. we are creators of things like painting, nice haircut, lip stick and etc etc. Allah created all things in the first place, and we use them to create stuff too. iblis was created too. now he creates problems for you coz you listen to him. evil people also create choas like wars and nukes. you get it now?

No human, in the entirety of history has created (in the sense of a god creating) anything. The only thing that humans can do is to re-arrange that which already exists.

thats what i said mate. duh.

You have said that Iblis creates chaos and evil. That is no different than creating goodness and order. They are equivalent.

yes i know. so? so what? Allah goes good and iblis does evil.
in case you havent noticed mate, there is a bloody war going on in the universe. right from the start, good and evil have been at it. this fight will go on until Allah says stop, thats enough, now i will judge all of you, on who did what. that will happen at the end of the universe.

How did you "prove" anything?

i proved Allah is not evil when you said he is in your p1 p2 and c where you thought i said he is when he is not and i said no such thing.

You equivocated human creation (the re-arrangement of that which already exists) with divine creation (the creation of something that did not, in any form (even matter or energy), exist).

i didnt do no such thing mate. check it again. that would be shirk, one of the toppest 3 sins of all. Allah would roast by balls in hell if said such stupidest blasphemy against him. i aint never ever not gonna do no shirk, ever.

You tried to change you story and claim that Allah did not create everything. In so doing, you have raised Iblis to godhood almost equivalent to Allah. In the cases of chaos and evil, you have said that Iblis is superior to Allah, that Iblis has more power that Allah over evil and chaos since Iblis created them .

:I-love-pork:

i didnt say that!!!

[colubridae]

:I-love-pork:

i didnt say that!!!

Do you really think it matters whether you said it or not?

Yours is easily the funniest thread on ratz...

Either you know or don't know, it doesn't matter its still

[mandy]

Go into an art gallery. You will find beauty by many artists. By your logic there would be many gods.

dont be sly. i didnt say all artists are gods. i said there got to be artists when there is beauty. Allah is an artist too. He has the best talent of all. no other artists can match beauty created by Allah. Allah is the best. if you think somebody else can beat him in talent, then tell me who it is. you cant can you.

How small and insignificant earth is, in the grand scheme of things? Do you really think your god gives a rats arse about this miniscule speck of dust?

we aint talking about how many stars there are, or how big they are. we are talking about who did em. you must be mixing up things mate. you are confusing my evidence with something else. read it again on the other thread.

size dont matter to Allah. it obviously matters to you. i dont know why.
what i said was who did it all. you? me? if not us, then who?
the answer is Allah must have done it. it wasnt me. was it you who created all this?

Who created god?

well, if Allah was a created thing like me or you, then i would tell you who created Allah.
but Allah is nothing like the universe. he is not made up of matter or protons or elections or gluons or whatever my science teachers keeps saying. Allah is not a creation. Universe is a creation. universe was created and then started off by Allah. no one created and started off Allah. Allah is God, he is not matter. time and space and weight and speed and all other things have nothing to do with Allah. these things were created by Allah as part of the universe. thats why we can see them and measure them and count them. we cant see Allah with out eyes. we can only know about him through our reason and logic. that makes sense.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

dont be sly. i didnt say all artists are gods. i said there got to be artists when there is beauty. Allah is an artist too. He has the best talent of all. no other artists can match beauty created by Allah. Allah is the best. if you think somebody else can beat him in talent, then tell me who it is. you cant can you.

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we aint talking about how many stars there are, or how big they are. we are talking about who did em.

Why does it have to be a "who"

you must be mixing up things mate. you are confusing my evidence with something else.

Bullshit, mayhaps?

size dont matter to Allah.

It does to Mohammad. He likes 'em small.

what i said was who did it all. you? me? if not us, then who?

Not "who" , "What"

the answer is Allah must have done it. it wasnt me. was it you who created all this?

A few blokes, without any scientific knowledge, who thought they understood how it all works, a few thousand years ago.

well, if Allah was a created thing like me or you, then i would tell you who created Allah.
but Allah is nothing like the universe.

Humans created him.

he is not made up of matter or protons or elections or gluons or whatever my science teachers keeps saying. Allah is not a creation. Universe is a creation. universe was created and then started off by Allah. no one created and started off Allah. Allah is God, he is not matter. time and space and weight and speed and all other things have nothing to do with Allah. these things were created by Allah as part of the universe. thats why we can see them and measure them and count them. we cant see Allah with out eyes. we can only know about him through our reason and logic. that makes sense.

So, what's Allah made of?

[owtth]

So, what's Allah made of?

[MrFungus420]

Point to "beauty".

already did mate. did you not see it on the first page. you got to be blind now to see it mate. but i thinks you are pretending to be blind. you aint. you know cheryl is a beauty. so dont gimme that bollocks about there being no such thing is beauty. there is. duh.

No, that's pointing to a picture of a woman.

One of the attributes of that woman is that she could be said to be beautiful (Again though, this is a subjective opinion).

Beauty does not exist as something in and of itself. There must be something to exhibit the properties that we find beautiful. It is an adjective...it is a description.

No, water exists. Wetness is a property that things can have.

Wetness itself does not exist.

you must be having a laugh. ofcourse it exists. why do you think we dont like to get wet when it pours it down. my brolly is proof that it does exist.

No...

Water pours down your back, not wet. One of the properties of water is wetness. When water gets on something, it imparts the property of wetness.

Then you are changing your story.

You earlier have claimed that Allah is the creator.

Now you are saying that Iblis is a co-creator.

i never said no such thing mate. co creator bollocks is shirk. its a sin so say that.

Really? Never said that...

no no you got it all wrong mate. iblis creates choas and evil while Allah creates order and good. you got it now?

Allah created "order and good".
Iblis created "chaos and evil".

Each is responsible for half of creation.

Make up your mind.

Is Allah the creator, or is there more than one being with the power of creation?

i think you got mixed up. let me get it clear for you. Allah is the creator of the universe. but we can produce things as well. that dont mean we are creators like Allah. we are creators of things like painting, nice haircut, lip stick and etc etc. Allah created all things in the first place, and we use them to create stuff too. iblis was created too. now he creates problems for you coz you listen to him. evil people also create choas like wars and nukes. you get it now?

No human, in the entirety of history has created (in the sense of a god creating) anything. The only thing that humans can do is to re-arrange that which already exists.

thats what i said mate. duh.

Okay. So it's agreed that humans don't actually create anything. They just rearrange stuff that already exists.

Now, you have said that Allah created order and good. Those are not things that can be made by rearrangement. So that would be a true act of creation, something forever beyond the capabilities of humans. That would be an act of the type of creation that only a god could perform.

You also said that Iblis created chaos and evil. This would be an act of creation equal to that of Allah.

You have said that Iblis creates chaos and evil. That is no different than creating goodness and order. They are equivalent.

yes i know. so? so what? Allah goes good and iblis does evil.

No, not "does" good and "does" evil.

You said that Allah created good and that Iblis created evil.

But, I should thank you for agreeing that Iblis's act of creation was equivalent to Allah's act of creation. Once again you have made Iblis a co-creator with Allah.

You tried to change you story and claim that Allah did not create everything. In so doing, you have raised Iblis to godhood almost equivalent to Allah. In the cases of chaos and evil, you have said that Iblis is superior to Allah, that Iblis has more power that Allah over evil and chaos since Iblis created them .

:I-love-pork:

i didnt say that!!!

You've said it twice now.

[MrFungus420]

So, what's Allah made of?

Porcine based organic fertilizer...

[PsychoSerenity]

I have asked on several occasions for you to present all of your 'evidences' as soon as possible.

Originaly here.
Repeated in this thread.
In response to your poor excuse for why it's taking so long.
And again here.

Between each of these posts you have posted at least once, and failed to present any more of your 'evidences'.

So here is your first excuse for why it's taking so long:

the other evidences are a big complicated. i have write them out on a piece of paper and type them out.

why? are you in a rush mate?

Quite frankly that's bollocks. The first two were five minutes work at most. If the others are so complicated and take so long to put together, why haven't you been working on them in the past month, rather than arguing about the first two, which are clearly not up to scratch?

I also asked you an important question:

What if the fifth 'evidence' is the one that finally convinces us all? How can you justify holding that back from us?

If you genuinely have evidence that can convince a large number of atheists that allah exists, surely this should be your top priority?

Qur'an 009.006 If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

We don't want you to kill us (as in the verse before this one) and, according to your holy book, we are "men without knowledge", so please enlighten us.

However, your justification for holding back on us, then changed from "it's complicated and will take time" to a contradictory "if the first two won't convince you, then the others won't either". At least, that is what I think you were trying to say, here:

look mate, if you cant get to Allah through cheryl, then its not very likely you gonna get to him through a cow, are ya.

Do you mean to say that you have already presented your very best and most convincing evidence and arguments? Because if that's the case, since you've convinced nobody, you might as well give up trying.

its up to you chaps to decide which evidence for God is best which is second best. but if you atheists want me to stop giving you proofs for existence of God then just tell me.

And so we see your latest response. Which apparently goes back on your excuse again. And so I ask again:
How can you possibly justify holding back from us, evidence of allah?

Of course I have also, in each of my posts, hinted my scepticism of your intentions. I strongly suspect that you would much rather drag this out for another month before giving us more of your 'evidences'. Because you are a troll. I'm fairly sure most of the others think so too. But now, if your next post is anything other than a damn good answer to my question above (which you have already failed to give three times), or, at the very least, a summary of all your remaining 'evidences', - that will be absolute proof of the matter.

And I think that would be mate in two moves, if only it were that simple.

[owtth]

Of course I have also, in each of my posts, hinted my scepticism of your intentions. I strongly suspect that you would much rather drag this out for another month before giving us more of your 'evidences'. Because you are a troll. I'm fairly sure most of the others think so too. But now, if your next post is anything other than a damn good answer to my question above (which you have already failed to give three times), or, at the very least, a summary of all your remaining 'evidences', - that will be absolute proof of the matter.

I'd like to introduce you to Mandy, I don't believe you've met.

[Svartalf]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...

Cheryl Cole as evidence for god? Have you heard her speak? More importantly, have you heard her sing?!!

FAIL!

So she's ALQO evidence for the devil

[Bella Fortuna]

after 1000 posts it was closed down by bella. the woman carries the locks.

If only.

[colubridae]

after 1000 posts it was closed down by bella. the woman carries the locks.

For what? The rationalia chastity belts?

[Bella Fortuna]

after 1000 posts it was closed down by bella. the woman carries the locks.

For what? The rationalia chastity belts?

Rationalia should NEVER be used in the same sentence as chastity!!

The shackles for some and the iron maiden for others.