Violation of Arizona law to be illegally in the US!

[Martok]

The Beck/Limbaugh crowd are pointing leftward screaming "Nazis!" while their followers are making it dangerous to even look like you belong to a specific ethnic group.

Its funny how those two asshats love to call Obama Hitler and yet they support an Arizona law that mimics the Nazis!!!

[Coito ergo sum]

March in favor of illegal immigration!!!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... rday-.html

Police expect 100,000 protesters.

That's larger than that teabagger/Fox rally in DC last year.

Who cares? It's probably larger than any anti-Iraq War protest too. Oh, and "Organizers on Thursday said thousands of people will take part in marches in 70 US cities, with Los Angeles staging one of the biggest that will include musician Gloria Estefan and other top-rated Hispanic entertainers." Looks like it's an "astroturf" movement spurred on by a bunch of "organizers."

We'll see how many show up. It's a march in favor of illegal immigration. Ridiculous.

After all, they're only after the "brownish" people....

PHOENIX - A veteran sheriff's deputy was shot and wounded Friday after encountering a group of suspected illegal immigrants who apparently had been hauling bales of marijuana along a major smuggling corridor in the Arizona desert- a violent episode that comes amid a heated national debate over immigration.

http://ktar.com/index.php?nid=6&sid=1289944

It's o.k., though, if federal agents make the determination of who is and is not legally in the US, right?

596 immigrants convicted of crimes nabbed in South
Apr 30 12:51 PM US/Eastern
By GREG BLUESTEIN
Associated Press Writer
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ATLANTA (AP) - Federal agents say they have arrested 596 immigrants with criminal records during a three-day immigration enforcement sweep across the Southeast.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said Friday that the operation, dubbed Operation Cross Check, was the largest ever conducted by the agency targeting foreign nationals convicted of crimes. They said the immigrants have already served their sentences and authorities will now seek to deport them.

Atlanta ICE Field Director Felicia Skinner says that "communities around the Southeast are safer than they were before" as a result. She said three of the people arrested this week had been convicted of murder and 144 were convicted on assault charges.

[Coito ergo sum]

The Beck/Limbaugh crowd are pointing leftward screaming "Nazis!" while their followers are making it dangerous to even look like you belong to a specific ethnic group.

Its funny how those two asshats love to call Obama Hitler and yet they support an Arizona law that mimics the Nazis!!!

That's ridiculous. The law does not "mimic the Nazis." What a load of shit that statement is.

Make your case: compare the Arizona law with Nazi law. Let's see how they compare.

[Trolldor]

Wow, right-wing simplicity must be 'bliss'.

[Feck]

Now I have difficulty understanding how your neighbours can be a third world country ... Merika spent so much time and effort messing in other central and southern American countries ..... Why haven't you done a better job in Mexico ?

If any of you lived there you would be right over the border legal or not .

What country are you from?

How about your country opens its borders to "come one come all" first?

And, no European has any business criticizing the US for "messing with" other nations in the world. The Europeans made an art form of it. So, if you're from England, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, or Holland, please, don't lecture the United States. It's unbecoming.

I wasn't lecturing ,I was asking ?? and yes for a small overcrowded country we do have an almost open door policy .

[RuleBritannia]

And, no European has any business criticizing the US for "messing with" other nations in the world. The Europeans made an art form of it. So, if you're from England, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, or Holland, please, don't lecture the United States. It's unbecoming.

That's a ridiculous comment, no person alive today can be held accountable for the crimes previous generations.

[Martok]

Looks like it's an "astroturf" movement spurred on by a bunch of "organizers."

No, that would be the teabaggers. So far as I can tell the immigration protests aren't claiming they are grassroots.

[Martok]

Make your case: compare the Arizona law with Nazi law. Let's see how they compare.

"I want to see your papers"

[Trolldor]

Make your case: compare the Arizona law with Nazi law. Let's see how they compare.

"I want to see your papers"

How about this one:
"If you aren't one of us, you're inferior"

[Godless Libertarian]

I'm for legal pot-smoking, but against illegal pot-smoking.
I'm for legal roller-coaster riding, but against illegal roller-coaster riding.
I'm for legal arson, but against illegal arson.
I'm for legal slavery, but against illegal slavery.
I'm for legal harboring of Jews, but against illegal harboring of Jews.



Seeing a pattern? What difference does legality make? Either you're fucking with other people or you're not. If you're not bothering anyone, you should be left alone. What right does anyone have to tell me I can't hire anyone I want on my own farm or orchard?

All anti-illegal stuff is just prohibition, applied to an entire labor market.

[Trolldor]

lolwut?

You do realise there is a difference between legal migration and illegal migration?

[Godless Libertarian]

lolwut?

You do realise there is a difference between legal migration and illegal migration?

Sure, the same difference as legal harboring of jews and illegal harboring of jews.

[Trolldor]

I'm giving you a strong recommendation to go back to school, start at the beginning, and when you're ready start actually reading about what you're trying to argue.

[drl2]

I think we're taking entirely the wrong approach to illegal immigration. We just need to keep pushing free-trade-uber-alles economic policy, and pretty soon all the good jobs will be gone and they'll go back home where there's more opportunity! I find it curious that there's quite a bit of overlap between the folks who think the minimum wage should be eliminated to lower prices and the folks who want to get rid of the workers who are keeping prices lower by working undocumented for less than minimum wage. (And of course, if prices go up, they'll blame "big government". )

Soooooo....you....want illegal aliens to work in the United States under the table?

No. Merely pointing out a contradiction.

Why? The State of Arizona is enacting a solution to Arizona's problem. Nobody else is helping them. If you have a better solution, what is it?

Economic policies that encourage our neighbors and trading partners to pay a decent living wage would be a good start.

It's an innocent until proven guilty law, the antithesis of the way our legal system is supposed to work,

Innocent until proven guilty is how our laws are supposed to work. If you mean, guilty until proven innocent, this law is not that. It allows state police to, in connection with a lawful stop of a person for a normal crime or infraction, to check immigration status if there is reasonable suspicion based on objective, non-race related criteria. Reasonable suspicion is a very well vetted legal principle in the US - a cop needs "reasonable suspicion" to "stop and frisk" ANY person, citizen or not, for example. If reasonable suspicion is good enough to allow a cop to stop and frisk me, then it sure as fuck should be sufficient to check if I'm lawfully in the country.

Heh, my brain thought them in one order and my fingers typed them in another.

By what criteria other than appearance or speech does a cop decide to ask for proof of legal status? Taco Bell wrappers in a speeder's car? How many white guys will be detained until family members can find their drivers' licenses versus the number of darker-skinned people who will go through this?

and it's set up so that any yahoo with an axe to grind against anybody with vaguely brownish skin can essentially force a police officer, via threat of lawsuit, to stop someone on the street and demand "papers",

That it does not do.

If Mr. Diaz cuts me off in traffic and I'm so pissed off at him that I anonymously call the police and tell them "I saw Mr. Diaz selling pot in the parking lot!", what are the odds he'll be asked to produce ID, and the odds that if he doesn't have it on him, he'll have his life disrupted because he has to sit in a holding cell until his ID is verified, pot or no pot? Now, what are the odds of the same thing happening if I call in to complain about John Smith? And if they don't ask Mr. D for his papers, I have the right to sue them for it.

This is about people who come here illegally, period.

It's about illegals, but it can't help but target the 30% of Arizona's population who are legal immigrants.

[Coito ergo sum]

Now I have difficulty understanding how your neighbours can be a third world country ... Merika spent so much time and effort messing in other central and southern American countries ..... Why haven't you done a better job in Mexico ?

If any of you lived there you would be right over the border legal or not .

What country are you from?

How about your country opens its borders to "come one come all" first?

And, no European has any business criticizing the US for "messing with" other nations in the world. The Europeans made an art form of it. So, if you're from England, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, or Holland, please, don't lecture the United States. It's unbecoming.

I wasn't lecturing ,I was asking ?? and yes for a small overcrowded country we do have an almost open door policy .

So, you let people just walk in and out? No immigration law or procedure required? But, let's compare. What country are you referring to?