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Seraph also had corrective surgery at a much younger age for a problematic frenulum breve between his top lip and gum.
Circumcision - a rational debate
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Here's an example of penile frenulum breve (NSFW)
Seraph also had corrective surgery at a much younger age for a problematic frenulum breve between his top lip and gum.
Seraph also had corrective surgery at a much younger age for a problematic frenulum breve between his top lip and gum.
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Re: Circumcision - a rational debate
I wonder if that would be an indication for removal of the top lip... You know in the same way that penile frenulum breve is a valid indication for removal of the foreskin...Charlou wrote:Seraph also had corrective surgery at a much younger age for a problematic frenulum breve between his top lip and gum.
Then they for sudden joy did weep,
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
thy fool to lie: I would fain learn to lie.
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
thy fool to lie: I would fain learn to lie.
Re: Circumcision - a rational debate
I'm sure if, historically, it was thought such a procedure would prevent sinful oral sex without causing starvation, they'd have done just that and come up with a similar range of 'justifications' for doing it to all children in infancy ... oral hygiene, tradition, aesthetic appeal ...lordpasternack wrote:I wonder if that would be an indication for removal of the top lip... You know in the same way that penile frenulum breve is a valid indication for removal of the foreskin...Charlou wrote:Seraph also had corrective surgery at a much younger age for a problematic frenulum breve between his top lip and gum.
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Re: Circumcision - a rational debate
And you'd have men and women saying attesting that it made no difference, or enhanced oral sex/kissing, and that they were indifferent/happy about their state. Not to mention those in favour of the procedure showing numerous pictures of diseased gums, etc, by way of propagandising their cause. 
Thank heavens I've been left with fully functional lips for my sinful fellating...
Mmmm... I honestly do love putting my mouth to a cock - and knowing the pleasure I'm inflicting, or being surprised by the pleasure I'm inflicting: Such as an occasion not so long ago where the guy's hands started shaking, and he was gasping and moaning uncontrollably - and I held him on that point for a while, just keeping him ticking over with light licks and sucks... That was just awesome.
Siiiiiiiigh...
Thank heavens I've been left with fully functional lips for my sinful fellating...
Mmmm... I honestly do love putting my mouth to a cock - and knowing the pleasure I'm inflicting, or being surprised by the pleasure I'm inflicting: Such as an occasion not so long ago where the guy's hands started shaking, and he was gasping and moaning uncontrollably - and I held him on that point for a while, just keeping him ticking over with light licks and sucks... That was just awesome.
Siiiiiiiigh...
Then they for sudden joy did weep,
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
thy fool to lie: I would fain learn to lie.
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
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Re: Circumcision - a rational debate
As an American male born in the decade I was, I apparently did a bit of statistical dodge-ball and left the hospital intact. Honestly, I don't have the slightest idea how circumcision affects sexual performance or enjoyment. I've never experienced it with anything other than what I have. Since what I have is sufficient, all I can say is,
'Thanks for the turtleneck, mom!'
If I were to have a male child, I'd leave him intact. If someone asked me for my advice, I'd say the same. I really don't think we have the right to go cutting pieces off our babies as if they were livestock. Family tradition just doesn't cut it, so to speak.
We evolved with a foreskin; I think we'd best hang on to it. That said, if medical science can produce a legitimate and weighty reason for the practice, it would only make sense to listen to the scientists. Until then...
'Thanks for the turtleneck, mom!'
If I were to have a male child, I'd leave him intact. If someone asked me for my advice, I'd say the same. I really don't think we have the right to go cutting pieces off our babies as if they were livestock. Family tradition just doesn't cut it, so to speak.
We evolved with a foreskin; I think we'd best hang on to it. That said, if medical science can produce a legitimate and weighty reason for the practice, it would only make sense to listen to the scientists. Until then..."A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
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Pappa wrote:lordpasternack wrote:I seem to have come down with some sort of illness.
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And it unfortunately includes a sore throat.Pappa wrote:lordpasternack wrote:I seem to have come down with some sort of illness.
Then they for sudden joy did weep,
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
thy fool to lie: I would fain learn to lie.
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
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lordpasternack wrote:And it unfortunately includes a sore throat.Pappa wrote:lordpasternack wrote:I seem to have come down with some sort of illness.
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Re: Circumcision - a rational debate
Have you:lordpasternack wrote:And it unfortunately includes a sore throat.Pappa wrote:lordpasternack wrote:I seem to have come down with some sort of illness.
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Involuntary Circumcision
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This is a practice that really needs to be stopped. I'm not talking about involuntary female circumcision although it's horrible in its own right. You would be hard pressed to find anyone in the industrialized world who thinks involuntary female circumcision is an acceptable practice. I'm talking about involuntary male circumcision. I find it hard to believe that such a barbaric ritual is so common in North America. I have trouble understanding why more people aren't upset with this. We're talking about mutilating someone's body without his consent. We're talking about an irreversible change in someone's appearance as well as a reduction in sensitivity in one area on a man's body that he most certainly wants to be sensitive.
I've heard that circumcision can provide mild protection against certain STDs. I find it appalling that this argument is even used. To justify such a horrible act with something as spurious as "you have a reduced chance of contracting AIDS" is beyond me. I mean, ffs, why don't just we cut children's fingertips off so they can't pick their noses? This is skirting around the issue, though. This is just an ad hoc justification for the real reason. We all know exactly why this is so widely practiced. It's a religious ceremony endorsed by the bible and put into effect so children will be less tempted to pleasure themselves.
It makes me so angry that my parents decided to mutilate my body without my permission. It's also really upsetting to know that I can never truly reverse the change. There are surgeries that I can undergo but they can't actually restore my foreskin. I would just be mutilating it further to create something that somewhat resembled a foreskin. I would really like to get this law change. I expect I would receive a lot of resistance from religious groups. I don't even know where to begin, either. It seems like this isn't even on the agenda. There are other issues, like the legalization of marijuana, which get way more attention and although I agree it should be legalized, not being able to take a drug pales in comparison to an irreversible change to someone's body made without his consent.
Does anyone at Ratz feel differently or are you all with me on this one? Does anyone know what can be done about this?
By the way, I don't want to trivialize the horrors of female circumcision. It's actually much worse than male circumcision, there's no doubt about that. But like I said, everyone in the industrialized world is in agreement that it needs to be stopped. It seems like no one is even paying attention to male circumcision and indeed, it's standard practice at many medical institutions.
This is a practice that really needs to be stopped. I'm not talking about involuntary female circumcision although it's horrible in its own right. You would be hard pressed to find anyone in the industrialized world who thinks involuntary female circumcision is an acceptable practice. I'm talking about involuntary male circumcision. I find it hard to believe that such a barbaric ritual is so common in North America. I have trouble understanding why more people aren't upset with this. We're talking about mutilating someone's body without his consent. We're talking about an irreversible change in someone's appearance as well as a reduction in sensitivity in one area on a man's body that he most certainly wants to be sensitive.
I've heard that circumcision can provide mild protection against certain STDs. I find it appalling that this argument is even used. To justify such a horrible act with something as spurious as "you have a reduced chance of contracting AIDS" is beyond me. I mean, ffs, why don't just we cut children's fingertips off so they can't pick their noses? This is skirting around the issue, though. This is just an ad hoc justification for the real reason. We all know exactly why this is so widely practiced. It's a religious ceremony endorsed by the bible and put into effect so children will be less tempted to pleasure themselves.
It makes me so angry that my parents decided to mutilate my body without my permission. It's also really upsetting to know that I can never truly reverse the change. There are surgeries that I can undergo but they can't actually restore my foreskin. I would just be mutilating it further to create something that somewhat resembled a foreskin. I would really like to get this law change. I expect I would receive a lot of resistance from religious groups. I don't even know where to begin, either. It seems like this isn't even on the agenda. There are other issues, like the legalization of marijuana, which get way more attention and although I agree it should be legalized, not being able to take a drug pales in comparison to an irreversible change to someone's body made without his consent.
Does anyone at Ratz feel differently or are you all with me on this one? Does anyone know what can be done about this?
By the way, I don't want to trivialize the horrors of female circumcision. It's actually much worse than male circumcision, there's no doubt about that. But like I said, everyone in the industrialized world is in agreement that it needs to be stopped. It seems like no one is even paying attention to male circumcision and indeed, it's standard practice at many medical institutions.
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Re: Involuntary Circumcision
Lord P Will be happy to discuss this in length .
Voluntary Circumcision is illgal in the UK if it done as a sexual act (I know why would you but if you happen to be into that sort of thing then cutting a mates 'skin would land you in prison)
So It's assault or even ABH ...... but not if you do it to a baby WTF
Voluntary Circumcision is illgal in the UK if it done as a sexual act (I know why would you but if you happen to be into that sort of thing then cutting a mates 'skin would land you in prison)
So It's assault or even ABH ...... but not if you do it to a baby WTF
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Re: Involuntary Circumcision
HA! So it's illegal but only in situations where you consent to it. That is fucked up.Feck wrote:Lord P Will be happy to discuss this in length .
Voluntary Circumcision is illgal in the UK if it done as a sexual act (I know why would you but if you happen to be into that sort of thing then cutting a mates 'skin would land you in prison)
So It's assault or even ABH ...... but not if you do it to a baby WTF
Re: Involuntary Circumcision
If a grown adult really wants to lop part of their cock off, then I guess it's up to them.
But yes, childhood circumcision should be illegal.
But yes, childhood circumcision should be illegal.
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