I challenge the assessment that these nutties were "Christian." There is a tendency to mix religion with nationalism, and you end up with some very unsavory stews. "Christian" is just a label that is appropriated by various groups for political or other purposes. Since Jesus (unlike Mohammad) never took up arms or taught his disciples to kill people, it's really a stretch to label these people as his followers.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: Valden mentioned that the US news never refers to homegrown terrorists as the "American taliban" in the post that RB took exception to. To the best of my understanding, she was not referring to the entire religious right either. Her point, and mine, was that there are groups that are every bit as fanatical and violent as the taliban in the USA.
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If they call themselves christian, that is enough for me. Or do you have some special god-powers to distinguish 'real' christians from the other kind?Bruce Burleson wrote:I challenge the assessment that these nutties were "Christian." There is a tendency to mix religion with nationalism, and you end up with some very unsavory stews. "Christian" is just a label that is appropriated by various groups for political or other purposes. Since Jesus (unlike Mohammad) never took up arms or taught his disciples to kill people, it's really a stretch to label these people as his followers.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: Valden mentioned that the US news never refers to homegrown terrorists as the "American taliban" in the post that RB took exception to. To the best of my understanding, she was not referring to the entire religious right either. Her point, and mine, was that there are groups that are every bit as fanatical and violent as the taliban in the USA.

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Christians cherry-pick the bible to decide for themselves what constitutes Christian morality. Naturally, they're going to decide for themselves that some fellow Christians don't qualify as real Christians either.
I'd wager anything that those Hutaree psychos don't consider the more moderate types like Bruce to be real Christians.

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Bruce Burleson wrote:I challenge the assessment that these nutties were "Christian." There is a tendency to mix religion with nationalism, and you end up with some very unsavory stews. "Christian" is just a label that is appropriated by various groups for political or other purposes. Since Jesus (unlike Mohammad) never took up arms or taught his disciples to kill people, it's really a stretch to label these people as his followers.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: Valden mentioned that the US news never refers to homegrown terrorists as the "American taliban" in the post that RB took exception to. To the best of my understanding, she was not referring to the entire religious right either. Her point, and mine, was that there are groups that are every bit as fanatical and violent as the taliban in the USA.
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Stalin and Mao called themselves atheists. That is enough for me. Or do you have some special non-god-powers to distinguish "real" atheists from the other kind? This is such an infantile argument that you should be asking Madelyn Murray O'Hair to forgive you.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: If they call themselves christian, that is enough for me. Or do you have some special god-powers to distinguish 'real' christians from the other kind?
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Bruce Burleson wrote:Stalin and Mao called themselves atheists. That is enough for me. Or do you have some special non-god-powers to distinguish "real" atheists from the other kind? This is such an infantile argument that you should be asking Madelyn Murray O'Hair to forgive you.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: If they call themselves christian, that is enough for me. Or do you have some special god-powers to distinguish 'real' christians from the other kind?

An atheist is just someone that doesn't believe in any god or gods. if Stalin and Mao met that criteria, then they were atheists. Where's your problem?
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Atheism is a word that shouldn't exist. There is no "ism" to speak of, no underlying philosophy. Christianity has an actual book in print.Bruce Burleson wrote:Stalin and Mao called themselves atheists. That is enough for me. Or do you have some special non-god-powers to distinguish "real" atheists from the other kind? This is such an infantile argument that you should be asking Madelyn Murray O'Hair to forgive you.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: If they call themselves christian, that is enough for me. Or do you have some special god-powers to distinguish 'real' christians from the other kind?
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You cannot overthrow a government with legally held arms.RuleBritannia wrote:I believe it was so citizens could protect themselves against the government.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:I thought the why of guns was covered in the second amendment.Gawdzilla wrote:Not much in the why of guns from what I've seen. Relatively speaking, of course.
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Bruce Burleson wrote:Stalin and Mao called themselves atheists. That is enough for me. Or do you have some special non-god-powers to distinguish "real" atheists from the other kind? This is such an infantile argument that you should be asking Madelyn Murray O'Hair to forgive you.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: If they call themselves christian, that is enough for me. Or do you have some special god-powers to distinguish 'real' christians from the other kind?
If they didn't believe in the existence of deities, they were "true" atheists. It's not an exclusive club, we don't have a membership review board checking the qualifications of new "applicants". MOST people who call themselves "Christian" would not pass muster for actually following Christ's teachings.
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If Jesus, Mohammad, and Buddha were to come back today Mohammad and Buddha would still recognize the religions they left behind. Jesus, if the stories of his life are true, would be shocked and horrified at wants been done in his name.Bruce Burleson wrote:I challenge the assessment that these nutties were "Christian." There is a tendency to mix religion with nationalism, and you end up with some very unsavory stews. "Christian" is just a label that is appropriated by various groups for political or other purposes. Since Jesus (unlike Mohammad) never took up arms or taught his disciples to kill people, it's really a stretch to label these people as his followers.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: Valden mentioned that the US news never refers to homegrown terrorists as the "American taliban" in the post that RB took exception to. To the best of my understanding, she was not referring to the entire religious right either. Her point, and mine, was that there are groups that are every bit as fanatical and violent as the taliban in the USA.
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Who are you to say what an atheist is? Are you the atheist Pope? I've observed many arguments over the issue of whether "atheist" means "no belief in gods" vs. "belief in no gods." Now you step in with Sinaitic authority and claim to settle the issue. Who died and made you the True Scotsman Atheist?Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Bruce Burleson wrote:Stalin and Mao called themselves atheists. That is enough for me. Or do you have some special non-god-powers to distinguish "real" atheists from the other kind? This is such an infantile argument that you should be asking Madelyn Murray O'Hair to forgive you.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: If they call themselves christian, that is enough for me. Or do you have some special god-powers to distinguish 'real' christians from the other kind?![]()
An atheist is just someone that doesn't believe in any god or gods. if Stalin and Mao met that criteria, then they were atheists. Where's your problem?
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Agreed.Martok wrote: If Jesus, Mohammad, and Buddha were to come back today Mohammad and Buddha would still recognize the religions they left behind. Jesus, if the stories of his life are true, would be shocked and horrified at wants been done in his name.
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Words fail me.Bruce Burleson wrote:Are you the atheist Pope?

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"Atheist" means both, "no belief in gods" and "belief in no gods", which is a shame because these are very different things, but that's what it means.Bruce Burleson wrote:Who are you to say what an atheist is? Are you the atheist Pope? I've observed many arguments over the issue of whether "atheist" means "no belief in gods" vs. "belief in no gods." Now you step in with Sinaitic authority and claim to settle the issue. Who died and made you the True Scotsman Atheist?Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Bruce Burleson wrote:Stalin and Mao called themselves atheists. That is enough for me. Or do you have some special non-god-powers to distinguish "real" atheists from the other kind? This is such an infantile argument that you should be asking Madelyn Murray O'Hair to forgive you.Xamonas Chegwé wrote: If they call themselves christian, that is enough for me. Or do you have some special god-powers to distinguish 'real' christians from the other kind?![]()
An atheist is just someone that doesn't believe in any god or gods. if Stalin and Mao met that criteria, then they were atheists. Where's your problem?
Comparing "atheist" to "christian" is incorrect anyway, the correct comparison would be "atheist" and "theist", as they are both absolutes. "Christian" on the other hand isn't, and that's where you get into the "no true Scotsman" region.
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