U.S. passes "historic" healthcare bill

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Its broke because the political party in control for eight of the last ten years broke it.

Now they want us to listen to them again. Yeah right.

Some of those idiots are trying to say that the Democrats are suffering from PBS, Post-Bush Syndrome.

[NineOneFour]

So, take it from the top: 32 million people can't afford insurance now.

Actually, it's more like 45 million, but some of them speak Spanish or are non-whites, so you could give a fuck if they die in the gutter.

You know what, fuck off. This fucking bullshit about one side or the other of this debate "not caring" or "not giving a fuck" is getting very tiresome.

Oh, I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where you stated you wanted them covered so they didn't die on American soil.

Nope, just went back and looked, and you dismissed them out of hand.

First of all, the language someone speaks is not determinative in the present case. They still have to buy their fucking insurance. It's a mandate to buy insurance. Don't you fucking get that? Spanish speakers are not exempted, and non-whites are not excluded. Further, spanish speakers and non-whites are not excluded now from receiving health care.

Yeah, I'm sure the guy here illegally gets health insurance through his illegal job.

Want to explain that one to the audience, sparky?

[qoute] So the government is going to make them buy it. And, everyone making more than 43,000 a year will pay for their own insurance, plus cost sharing, to the tun of $7,600 a year average! 17 million make over 50,000 a year, and obviously a whole bunch more make between 44,000 and 50,000, so they too will get no assistance.

No one under $250,000 is going to have to spend a dime more than they are now UNLESS they are voluntarily uninsured, which is the cohort that you describe above. I have NO sympathy for these people since when they DO get sick, they pass on the costs to the rest of us who choose to get health insurance.

This idea that nobody under $250,000 is going to have to spend a dime more than they do now is a flat out lie. Provide your citation.[/quote]

I did later on, dude. You are one epic failure.

I think you're one of those that thinks he's immortal, indestructable, and invincible and doesn't buy health insurance.

No, I do buy it.

Then stop the melodramatic whining.

When you do get sick (and you will), then your plan is to dump the costs on us: i.e. the responsible insurance policy holders.

If you weren't so selfish you wouldn't mind paying. I probably make a lot less money than you.

Can anyone translate this for me?

So, no, too bad.

That's what we're overhauling the insurance system to the tune of $2.5 trillion over 10 years for?

Yeah, wow, that 2.5 trillion sounds awful. Until you realize that it's a smidgen of the defense budget...

...because nothing is expensive unless it exceeds the defense budget....

2.5 trillion in today's budget, like it or not, is chicken feed.

Get it yet?

I get that you're being deliberately dishonest with your figures, yes.

Me? I'll wait for your proof of this "nobody under $250,000" assertion...

Read ahead and prove that you've been pwned.

And no one is eligible for welfare but haven't enrolled. That's a lie.

I didn't say welfare. I said Medicaid and SCHIP. It's not a lie.

Medicaid and SCHIP are parts of welfare and it's a lie, as has been pointed out by the articles posted by Valden which apparently you are incapable of reading. Too many multisyllabic worlds?

Getting medicaid and/or SCHIP is not an easy process and usually you must be without assets that you can liquidate (such as a house or business) before you are eligible. Your canard is that you look at these people and say, well, fuck them, they should enroll in medicaid. Except they aren't eligible because they have assets even though they don't make a high salary. You would have them become destitute before they get help.

Oh, I'm sorry - people should be able to get assistance when they have the means to buy their own insurance? That's what you think?

Yes.

[NineOneFour]

Have the political right and those bribed by the insewerance companies stopped trying to tell everyone that Obama wants to kill their granny off yet ? ..

or did that tactic not work so they are concentrating on the thing they hold dearest ie Their money .

Am I stupid and naive to think that a government should be responsible for the health of it's citizens And not profit making companies ?

The dirty tricks that these companies use to avoid paying out are well documented . Health insurance Companies are set up and run for profit not to help people !!! quess what that means ?????

Yes, they are scum.

But they can no longer avoid paying out under the new bill.

Plus, in 2017, they're pretty much fucked: http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archi ... gle+Reader

Yup, most people can't avoid paying out under the new bill. Just about everyone, except perhaps those getting the freebies, is fucked by this bill. You have that right.

You are so funny.

[NineOneFour]

Getting medicaid and/or SCHIP is not an easy process and usually you must be without assets that you can liquidate (such as a house or business) before you are eligible. Your canard is that you look at these people and say, well, fuck them, they should enroll in medicaid. Except they aren't eligible because they have assets even though they don't make a high salary. You would have them become destitute before they get help.

Just to add to that - it's a fucking nightmare to enroll! No sick or elderly person could manage applying for either one of these and get it without the help of a full time advocate. That's why all those eligible haven't enrolled. I am the guardian of my sister who has late stage A/D and needs full time nursing care. She gets a modest annuity from my father's estate so she does have assets, but they were locked down and there was no way to liquidate them. It took nine months of arduous battling on my part and finally getting her congressperson involved to get the medicaid to cover the additional two-thirds of her expenses. In the meantime I was hassled incessantly by bill collectors, and the nursing home who literally threatened to throw her out on the street. People here on this board will attest to how stressful this was for me which really helps my hypertension. Since Medicaid is only approved on a yearly basis, I get to go through the same crap in less than a year again.

Sorry it sucks so much and thank you for that post, belying our kool-aid sipping friend's claims.

[NineOneFour]

There is no government healthcare in this new law. It's a legal requirement to purchase health insurance.

I'm eager to see how they implement this one. Are we now getting jailed for not having health insurance, or will we only be jailed if we get sick?

You get fined, not jailed. Just like you get fined, not jailed, for jaywalking. Sheesh.

[Martok]

George W. Bush created the largest fully protected marine wildlife preserve in the world. His deserves a gold star in his legacy for it, as it represents an area roughly the size of California, and he claimed to be passionately moved to do so after seeing Jean-Michel Cousteau's film Voyage to Kure.

Giving Bush Jr. a gold star is a bit much

Bush jr. did way more damage than good to the environment. As environmental groups point out Bush's foot dragging with climate change will ultimately do harm to that marine preserve. And lets not forget he wanted to drill in ANWR.

[NineOneFour]

This email is making the rounds - kinda funny:

Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health
care plan written by a committee whose chairman says
he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't
read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a
president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with
funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay
his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is
obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

What could possibly go wrong?

Kinda retarded since you don't understand it, haven't read it, and don't get it.

[NineOneFour]

Notice that libertarian-boi didn't repeat his lie about everyone getting medicaid after Valden's post.

Notice that libertarian-boi didn't repeat his lie about how much this costs someone making $44000 a year after that lie was dissected.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This email is making the rounds - kinda funny:

Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health
care plan written by a committee whose chairman says
he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't
read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a
president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with
funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay
his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is
obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

What could possibly go wrong?

Kinda retarded since you don't understand it, haven't read it, and don't get it.

Ease up on the personal characterizations, please.

[Coito ergo sum]

This email is making the rounds - kinda funny:

Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health
care plan written by a committee whose chairman says
he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't
read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a
president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with
funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay
his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is
obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

What could possibly go wrong?

The President smokes? Oh no!
Well, since we can't get him on the whole birth certificate thing, maybe we can impeach him on that?

I think you missed the humor in it....

[Coito ergo sum]

This email is making the rounds - kinda funny:

Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health
care plan written by a committee whose chairman says
he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't
read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a
president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with
funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay
his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is
obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

What could possibly go wrong?

Its broke because the political party in control for eight of the last ten years broke it.

Now they want us to listen to them again. Yeah right.

You guys are taking this joke a bit too seriously.

But, anyone who thinks that the Republicans were "in control" to the exclusion of Democrats and that the damage was done only in the last 10 years is a tad bit myopic. Both major parties are to blame for our predicament now, and its just as much a function of too much bad government policy as it is too little good government policy.

[Trolldor]

But mostly the Republicans.

[Coito ergo sum]

On the issue of jail time:

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/ ... ml?showall

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_0 ... ment2.html

[Martok]

But, anyone who thinks that the Republicans were "in control" to the exclusion of Democrats and that the damage was done only in the last 10 years is a tad bit myopic. Both major parties are to blame for our predicament now, and its just as much a function of too much bad government policy as it is too little good government policy.

While conservatives whine about the health care bill, they didn't say a thing about the Bush tax cuts and two wars. All of them unpaid for.

The debt clock in New York was actually going backwards in the last two years of Clinton's term of office. It was shut off but restarted a year after Bush was appointed president and it started going forward again.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If democracy doesn't get you what you want, try murder.