Marriage and Atheism

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Post by Theophilus » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:04 pm

born-again-atheist wrote:*sigh* I've already explained. A child must be equally exposed to all religions. The deeper you invest your child in one religion, the deeper you invest the child in every single other religion. If you aren't willing to do that, then don't try and force your child to believe what you do.
But, culturally, that makes no sense to me BAA; no-one could expose their children to all cultures in depth and none of us would want to (we all have values that we wish to pass to our children, you as much as me). And that, I think, is a real weakness in secularism; it seeks a "culture-free" environment which can never exist (it itself is a culture, it's like thinking there is an accent-free way of speaking English), and it rarely seems to be able to engage with faith cultures on an equal footing.

I don't know what the answer is, but I think secularists, if they wish to influence the religious, need to work out a way of engaging with other cultures (such as mine) without always approaching it with a "your culture has no place in society" attitude. Some secularists will try to say "religion is OK so long as it is private", but then when you scratch below the surface of that view you often find that actually they are not happy with private religion in the context of bringing up children.

Having said all that, I think in practice things still work. We all have our freedoms; you are free to tell me that you don't like the way I bring up children and I'm free to thank you for your comments but then tell you that I'm responsible for bringing up my children and so will make the choices I think are best. That may sound dismissive, but actually it allows dialogue without actually trying to forcibly or legally stamp out certain cultures (which is bound to end up in a very bad place).

Anyway, interesting stuff. As I get older I do find the whole cultural aspect to society increasingly interesting (and complex).
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Post by Trolldor » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:06 pm

If you can't do it, then don't do it.

When the child is old enough to make the decision for himself, he will.
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Post by mandy » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:27 pm

i have been presenting islamic views on marriage on another thread:
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 00#p406967

im personally into older women, you know the ripe stuff, but some guys think thats no good. who are they to dictate their taste to others people.
some atheists dont like certain ages for marriage. they are all pretending to know anything about morals, and think they know better who should marry whom. thats just their tyranny.
they believe that marriage of some people is an evil, eg when husband or wife are young.
UN has set no age limit, and has recognised that different cultures have different laws about marriage and its customs on age, divorce etc etc.
Atheists dont see much need for formal marriages, they like to live open and free of all responsibility. but marriage is practised by muslims and some non-muslims societies around the world.


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Post by Trolldor » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:28 pm

Really? Older Women? That surprises me. Especially as the rest of your post is pathetic Muslim Apologetics for Child rape.
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Post by Animavore » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:31 pm

mandelson wrote:i have been presenting islamic views on marriage on another thread:
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 00#p406967

im personally into older women, you know the ripe stuff, but some guys think thats no good. who are they to dictate their taste to others people.
some atheists dont like certain ages for marriage. they are all pretending to know anything about morals, and think they know better who should marry whom. thats just their tyranny.
they believe that marriage of some people is an evil, eg when husband or wife are young.
UN has set no age limit, and has recognised that different cultures have different laws about marriage and its customs on age, divorce etc etc.
Atheists dont see much need for formal marriages, they like to live open and free of all responsibility. but marriage is practised by muslims and some non-muslims societies around the world.


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I hope you get hit by a bus and have your brain damaged leaving you with the mental capacity of a child and the orderlies take sexual advantage of you I really do.
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Post by Theophilus » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:32 pm

mandelson wrote:i have been presenting islamic views on marriage on another thread:
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 00#p406967
Yes, I saw that. Full marks for knowing how to yank atheist chains. I'm afraid I'm much more the boring "let's have a good chat over some tea and hobnobs" type myself. Mind you, if they try and steal my chocolate hobnobs then they'll see just how angry I can get (they'll be no hot chocolate after compline).

Tea anyone?

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Post by Trolldor » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:33 pm

That depends, if you support child molestation I'd rather make you choke on them. Probably assisted by a Chainsaw.
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Post by Theophilus » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:37 pm

born-again-atheist wrote:That depends, if you support child molestation I'd rather make you choke on them. Probably assisted by a Chainsaw.
I think 18 is an appropriate age of consent in our society. But perhaps in countries with much shorter life expectancy and with much higher infant mortality (requiring higher fecundity to maintain populations) a lower age developed out of necessity? One would hope with improving health and with reducing infant mortality the culture would allow for a lengthened childhood.
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Post by Animavore » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:39 pm

Theophilus wrote: Yes, I saw that. Full marks for knowing how to yank atheist chains. I'm afraid I'm much more the boring "let's have a good chat over some tea and hobnobs" type myself. Mind you, if they try and steal my chocolate hobnobs then they'll see just how angry I can get (they'll be no hot chocolate after compline).
I would've thought supporting child abuse would yank anyone's chain?
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born-again-atheist wrote:That depends, if you support child molestation I'd rather make you choke on them. Probably assisted by a Chainsaw.
I think 18 is an appropriate age of consent in our society. But perhaps in countries with much shorter life expectancy and with much higher infant mortality (requiring higher fecundity to maintain populations) a lower age has developed out of necessity?
Cop on. We're talking about marrying off prepubescent children incapable of giving birth. Marrying them at this age doesn't do any help at all.

Is there something wrong with theists heads or something?
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Post by Trolldor » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:40 pm

No, necessity is not part of it. These children aren't biologically capable of giving birth, and even if they are, they could not physically handle it without a great deal of Medical Care and a Caesarian.
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Post by Theophilus » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:43 pm

Animavore wrote:I would've thought supporting child abuse would yank anyone's chain?
When not involved in a thread it is perhaps easier to recognise a wind-up.
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Post by Animavore » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:44 pm

Theophilus wrote:
Animavore wrote:I would've thought supporting child abuse would yank anyone's chain?
When not involved in a thread it is perhaps easier to recognise a wind-up.
It fucking better not be.

Actually. Where is Dev?
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Post by Trolldor » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:45 pm

If it is, then don't expect me to back off them. I don't take this faggotry lightly.
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Re: Marriage and Atheism

Post by Theophilus » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:47 pm

Animavore wrote:We're talking about marrying off prepubescent children incapable of giving birth. Marrying them at this age doesn't do any help at all.
Yep, I would agree that prepubescent is definitely off-limits (and I would set the age of consent at 18 myself). The UN report in the other thread about "child marriage" was looking at under-18 year olds. And I can understand how younger ages (say 14 upwards) could develop as the norm in countries with short life expectancies, poor eductaion and high infant mortality.
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Re: Marriage and Atheism

Post by Animavore » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:48 pm

Theophilus wrote:
Animavore wrote:I would've thought supporting child abuse would yank anyone's chain?
When not involved in a thread it is perhaps easier to recognise a wind-up.
Actually. Just thinking about it. Why did you say "winding atheists up"? Are you saying he would've got away with saying this stuff on a Christian site? I think "winding people up" is more appropriate.
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