BM Brain Theory vs. Neuroscience

[jamest]

The vital difference between the sun and a brain is that the sun is integral to many experiences, but a brain plays no such role, except in the tiny fields of neuroscience and pathology. Who ever experiences a brain? What of the centuries before neuroscience?

There was a time when men thought that the sun was 'God'. What we know now (about everything - not just the sun) is a consequence of detailed enquiry. Knowledge is integral to experience... is an aspect of 'experience'. So when you ask "whoever experiences brain?", my response is: everyone who knows about them and attributes qualities to them.
Even the very fact that we attribute causality to experienced objects, is a consequence of enquiry... about what we think we 'know'. The causality of experienced objects is a persistent judgement, not a fact.

Don't try to limit experience to that which is observed. Experience is also the process of judging what is observed - of proclaiming what it is that is being observed.

Indeed, following this, I could turn your question on its head and ask you: who ever experiences anything? What we experience is decided by us. That's why some men experienced a God, whilst others 'a sun'. We don't experience anything until we decide what it is. And those decisions are always up for revision.

It isn't a very good deception, is it? There are plenty of people who believe the immaterial soul stuff. If brains are to deceive shouldn't they be more obvious, so that everyone is deceived? Brains could be in transparent skulls and they could flash when we think. That would work much better to ground people in the illusion of a physical being. Why hide the camouflage?

Nobody is arguing that the 'deception' was meant to be eternal.

[SpeedOfSound]

Have we gotten to the X-god designed the world and brain just so that jamest would be right in his beliefs?

[GrahamH]

Have we gotten to the X-god designed the world and brain just so that jamest would be right in his beliefs?

Nah, that can't be it. In that case there would be no need of brains at all. Better then if opening the living skull revealed a luminescence never experienced in nature, or if the skull were empty save for a tiny crystal throne for an immaterial being to watch from. Or an inner eye of an indivisible solid.

The X-god is so unimaginative with this stuff. A bone case full of cells? Where's the poetry in that? Don't we want magical experience?

Neurology is totally irrelevant to James and LI, it is mere Trompe-l'œil to them.

[colubridae]

There's no doubt that experience is designed to yield the appearance of objects with causal influence.

Oops axiom not based in reality...

Now I seem to recall someone not liking that kind of logic.

Now who could it be?

Whoops, forgot that 'design' is a dirty word in these parts. Perhaps I should have said 'manufactured' instead.

You are certainly relying on some unprovable axioms to make that statement. Shame on you!

How can you talk of 'design'. It is only something you picked up from the experienced world. Don't be misled, get back to Reality.

I've acknowledged that I haven't [yet] presented grounds for the useage of the word 'design'.

It is only the appearance of 'design'.

Actually, unless reality '2' can be proven, as above, then there is only knowledge of 'manufacture' at play. Even reality '1', above, requires the manufacture of experience.

Wow semantic double talk.
I haven't seen that since... well your last post.

[colubridae]

I've acknowledged that I haven't [yet] presented grounds for the useage of the word 'design'.

At last the holy grail.

someone is going to provide evience, based on reality, for design.

[GrahamH]

I've acknowledged that I haven't [yet] presented grounds for the useage of the word 'design'.

At last the holy grail.

someone is going to provide evience, based on reality, for design.

You may need more popcorn. I suspect that he may have to make a call to a being with an infinitely long telephone number before the 'grounds' will be revealed.

[SpeedOfSound]

Have we gotten to the X-god designed the world and brain just so that jamest would be right in his beliefs?

Nah, that can't be it. In that case there would be no need of brains at all. Better then if opening the living skull revealed a luminescence never experienced in nature, or if the skull were empty save for a tiny crystal throne for an immaterial being to watch from. Or an inner eye of an indivisible solid.

The X-god is so unimaginative with this stuff. A bone case full of cells? Where's the poetry in that? Don't we want magical experience?

Neurology is totally irrelevant to James and LI, it is mere Trompe-l'œil to them.

Well the crystal throne is really there for jamest and LI. They see it in their sage wisdom and the wisdom of thousands of prophets of ancient lands. The appearance of the brain and all of that neuronal deception is just job security for the sage knowers of the the true god. All those neurons certainly threw me off the scent long enough for the spiritual elite to get the pretty girls and make off to the alley.

[colubridae]

I've acknowledged that I haven't [yet] presented grounds for the useage of the word 'design'.

At last the holy grail.

someone is going to provide evience, based on reality, for design.

You may need more popcorn. I suspect that he may have to make a call to a being with an infinitely long telephone number before the 'grounds' will be revealed.

If he does I will go one better than joseph smith.

I won't talk out of my hat, I will eat it.

[colubridae]

Have we gotten to the X-god designed the world and brain just so that jamest would be right in his beliefs?

Nah, that can't be it. In that case there would be no need of brains at all. Better then if opening the living skull revealed a luminescence never experienced in nature, or if the skull were empty save for a tiny crystal throne for an immaterial being to watch from. Or an inner eye of an indivisible solid.

The X-god is so unimaginative with this stuff. A bone case full of cells? Where's the poetry in that? Don't we want magical experience?

Neurology is totally irrelevant to James and LI, it is mere Trompe-l'œil to them.

Well the crystal throne is really there for jamest and LI. They see it in their sage wisdom and the wisdom of thousands of prophets of ancient lands. The appearance of the brain and all of that neuronal deception is just job security for the sage knowers of the the true god. All those neurons certainly threw me off the scent long enough for the spiritual elite to get the pretty girls and make off to the alley.

If you listen carefully you can hear the distant turbo whine of theophilis's rectum spooling up to produce some helpful assertions for his drowning soul mates.

[jamest]

Neurology is totally irrelevant to James and LI, it is mere Trompe-l'œil to them.

Even Wile E. Coyote employs rocket-skates to catch his cartoon-prey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQzzjBR9Etw

There is nothing wrong with science. The causal-relationships that we experience are meant to be experienced... and we can utilise that knowledge to affect other entities within experience. But we are in a different realm now. We are in the realm of discussing what really causes Wile E. to move faster.

[Trolldor]

Physics would cause someone with Rocketskates to move faster. Propulsion and all that.

[colubridae]

Neurology is totally irrelevant to James and LI, it is mere Trompe-l'œil to them.

Even Wile E. Coyote employs rocket-skates to catch his cartoon-prey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQzzjBR9Etw

There is nothing wrong with science. The causal-relationships that we experience are meant to be experienced... and we can utilise that knowledge to affect other entities within experience. But we are in a different realm now. We are in the realm of discussing what really causes Wile E. to move faster.

This is your best esape jt, Descent into the absurd.

I don't know if it's thinking, but I love it.



all we need now is lamont and we'll have a royal flush.

[Little Idiot]

Like I said LI. You are never going to actually get the dualism thing. You can't even read my posts and respond to them. Not really. You just seize a couple of things and word salad around them then it's all okay in your brain.

To be honest, your post about 'my duality' started with A,B,C. I showed how A,B,C did not describe my position at all.
There isnt any point going on from there is there; you say 'LI, you dont get it' and your darn right I dont get it...because none of the points (A, B, or C) decsribe my position.
I am still waiting fro you to show why my model is dual, because, its a well established there are some possible arguments from the principle of monism; its all physical, its all mental being two of them. AFAIK neutral monism is the third option.
Thats really simple, and if you dont accept it, I can provide references.

I say idealism, its all mental is a form of monism.
Am I right, or am I wrong?

[jamest]

This is your best esape jt,

I'm not escaping. I'm breaking and entering the realms of a dark dungeon, carrying a bright torch.

[colubridae]

This is your best esape jt,

I'm not escaping. I'm breaking and entering the realms of a dark dungeon, carrying a bright torch.

Is that in infinity, reality or experience?

I am trying to fuck these threads up.

This is my revenge for no one answering my Yahtzee query.