LHC to shut for a year due to design flaws

Post by **Elessarina** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:42 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8556621.stm

Post by **Clinton Huxley** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:48 am

Disappointing but sensible. They'll still be able to do great science at half power.

Post by **macdoc** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:01 am

Hubble V2
tho not as glaring as the Hubble mirror error

Still Hubble went on working long past the expected life span and the LHC may do as well

Post by **JimC** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:18 am

Damn shame. They'll have to stick to colliding small hadrons for a while...

(this would make a phyicist lol...)

Post by **CookieJon** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:19 am

JimC wrote:Damn shame. They'll have to stick to colliding small hadrons for a while...

(this would make a phyicist lol...)

Oh, I see what you've done there!

Post by **hackenslash** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:38 am

Bad journalism. It isn't shutting down because of design flaws. It was scheduled to have a maintenance and upgrade break at this time.

Post by **JimC** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:43 am

hackenslash wrote:Bad journalism. It isn't shutting down because of design flaws. It was scheduled to have a maintenance and upgrade break at this time.

But I doubt if they planned for a year...

Anyway, I'm not critical, either way. Engineers have to accept pragmatic reality, and shit will happen in a huge, complex build like this one...

Post by **hackenslash** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:43 am

Brian Cox has been tweeting about it, and he says it was scheduled.

ETA:

I D of E S wrote:Brian Cox is getting a bit tetchy about this, as his latest Facebook entry shows. You can see the frustration building:

Brian Cox There is nothing wrong with LHC - lazy journalism. Schedule announced in Jan, 18 months physics, 12 month engineering shutdown afterwards

I just saw the BBC "news" story about LHC schedule - I know I'm a BBC person but it's really shoddy! This kind of thing really annoys me.

Brian Cox ALL particle accelerators have 6 - 12 month regular shutdowns for maintenance and upgrades. That's how complex machines are operated !

I repeat: #LHC will run for 12 - 18 months now. It will then shut down, AS ACCELERATORS DO, for maintenance and upgrades. ENGINEERING !!!

Post by **JimC** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:46 am

hackenslash wrote:Brian Cox has been tweeting about it, and he says it was scheduled.

ETA:

I D of E S wrote:Brian Cox is getting a bit tetchy about this, as his latest Facebook entry shows. You can see the frustration building:

Brian Cox There is nothing wrong with LHC - lazy journalism. Schedule announced in Jan, 18 months physics, 12 month engineering shutdown afterwards

I just saw the BBC "news" story about LHC schedule - I know I'm a BBC person but it's really shoddy! This kind of thing really annoys me.

Brian Cox ALL particle accelerators have 6 - 12 month regular shutdowns for maintenance and upgrades. That's how complex machines are operated !

I repeat: #LHC will run for 12 - 18 months now. It will then shut down, AS ACCELERATORS DO, for maintenance and upgrades. ENGINEERING !!!

Anyway, I guess the Higgs particle will not run away in the meantime...

Post by **hackenslash** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:54 am

Indeed.

Post by **Rum** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:41 am

JimC wrote:
hackenslash wrote:Bad journalism. It isn't shutting down because of design flaws. It was scheduled to have a maintenance and upgrade break at this time.
But I doubt if they planned for a year...

Anyway, I'm not critical, either way. Engineers have to accept pragmatic reality, and shit will happen in a huge, complex build like this one...

It was badly spun as a story.It was, apparently, planned to shut it down for 4 months every year for maintenance and upgrading, but they have decided to do two years worth at one go. Its not a major 'fail' as some reports were trying to suggest. Effing press up to its usual tricks.

Post by **Nautilidae** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:10 pm

hackenslash wrote:Brian Cox has been tweeting about it, and he says it was scheduled.

ETA:

I D of E S wrote:Brian Cox is getting a bit tetchy about this, as his latest Facebook entry shows. You can see the frustration building:

Brian Cox There is nothing wrong with LHC - lazy journalism. Schedule announced in Jan, 18 months physics, 12 month engineering shutdown afterwards

I just saw the BBC "news" story about LHC schedule - I know I'm a BBC person but it's really shoddy! This kind of thing really annoys me.

Brian Cox ALL particle accelerators have 6 - 12 month regular shutdowns for maintenance and upgrades. That's how complex machines are operated !

I repeat: #LHC will run for 12 - 18 months now. It will then shut down, AS ACCELERATORS DO, for maintenance and upgrades. ENGINEERING !!!

I have never seen an angry Brian Cox. It's probably something I don't want to see...

The LHC can only run for certain periods of time due to energy limitations anyway. It wasn't originally supposed to operate during the winter, but because of the incident in 2008, an exception was made. As far as we know, the LHC doesn't have any "design flaws". Like hackenslash said, regular maintenance and cool-down periods were to be expected.

One good thing will be brought about by this maintenance period, however; 2012 apocalypse advocates will finally be quiet about the LHC.

Post by **RuleBritannia** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:16 pm

Nautilidae wrote:One good thing will be brought about by this maintenance period, however; 2012 apocalypse advocates will finally be quiet about the LHC.

I think you underestimate just how crazy they are.

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