Apology from Richard Dawkins (Yes Really).

[anthonzi]

An evil excellent suggestion from RichardPrins over at RatSkept:

Subject: Ensuring an accurate record

I would humbly suggest you all rate the Apology article as excellent. That way it will show up here.

They could always censor it out.

[kiki5711]

Well, they buried it with so many other subjects, nobody will even notice the apology and business as usual must go on.

[klr]

My, we are a cynical bunch,

[anthonzi]

http://richarddawkins.net/articleCommen ... e13#466126

Screencapped this shit! lololol

624. Comment #466126 by OlivierK on March 3, 2010 at 11:19 am
First up, I don't have a dog in this race. I follow Dawkins' work, but have never participated in either the forums or the front page. Nevertheless, the story of the meltdown caught my interest, and I've followed it this far, and....

maryhelena's divorce analogy caught my attention. Partly because I think it's close to the mark, and partly because I just have this thing for analogies ;-)

The way it looks to this outsider, using maryhelena's analogy, is sort of as follows:

Husband (admins): I think we need to talk about our relationship.
Wife (mods): OK, lets talk.
H: Not now, later.
W: OK. Want to give me a hint?
H: Not really, but don't worry, everything's fine.
W: Let me know, then.
... time passes ...
W: You want to talk about that thing now?
H: Not really. *shifty shuffling*
... more time passes ...
H: I know I said we needed to talk, but even though this isn't what we discussed, you've got 30 days to get your shit out of the house. Don't steal any of my stuff, don't poison the dog, don't shit in the swimming pool, don't try to access our joint accounts. I don't require a response, just do as I say and nobody gets hurt.
H to the kids (forum members): Everything is alright - Mom and I are just talking about moving to a nicer house.
W to the kids: Actually, your Dad has just insulted me and told me to pack my things.
H: You bitch, that was private. Just for that I'm smashing your laptop and keying your car.
W: You utter prick. I'm locking the rest of my stuff in the garage because I don't trust you near it.
H: Well forget about 30 days, it better be out of there in 2. And don't talk to the kids, or tell them where you're going - they're staying here with me, understand? *smashes some more of his wife's stuff as she moves it to the garage*
H rings his parents (Dawkins): That bitch called me an utter prick, so I've kicked her out and taken steps to protect the kids.
W tries to get stuff from the garage only to find that the locks have been changed and when she tried her key she's stepped in the dog turd in a brown paper bag her husband had left near the lock (the Rickroll).
... the fight has been so spectacular it makes the papers ...
H's parents to press: That bitch called our son names, and it's no wonder he wants her out of the house ASAP.
W to press: What a crock, that's not how it happened at all and I can prove it, I videoed heaps of the argument on my phone.
H: silence.
H's parents to press: We stand by our son. He may have gone a bit far at one point, but it was only after ferocious provocation. He's only human and he's a great guy. Just wait till you meet his new wife, she's great. As for his ex, we're going to get her a new laptop even though we don't need to - she should be grateful.

And here we are with the husband and his parents thinking everything's going to be just fine and the kids will forget about their Mom and the whole fight when they find out how great their stepmother is. (She's just like his first wife, but more obedient and less of a potty-mouth, apparently. What's not to like?)

[Cunt]

http://richarddawkins.net/articleCommen ... e13#466126

Screencapped this shit! lololol

624. Comment #466126 by OlivierK on March 3, 2010 at 11:19 am
First up, I don't have a dog in this race. I follow Dawkins' work, but have never participated in either the forums or the front page. Nevertheless, the story of the meltdown caught my interest, and I've followed it this far, and....

maryhelena's divorce analogy caught my attention. Partly because I think it's close to the mark, and partly because I just have this thing for analogies ;-)

The way it looks to this outsider, using maryhelena's analogy, is sort of as follows:

Husband (admins): I think we need to talk about our relationship.
Wife (mods): OK, lets talk.
H: Not now, later.
W: OK. Want to give me a hint?
H: Not really, but don't worry, everything's fine.
W: Let me know, then.
... time passes ...
W: You want to talk about that thing now?
H: Not really. *shifty shuffling*
... more time passes ...
H: I know I said we needed to talk, but even though this isn't what we discussed, you've got 30 days to get your shit out of the house. Don't steal any of my stuff, don't poison the dog, don't shit in the swimming pool, don't try to access our joint accounts. I don't require a response, just do as I say and nobody gets hurt.
H to the kids (forum members): Everything is alright - Mom and I are just talking about moving to a nicer house.
W to the kids: Actually, your Dad has just insulted me and told me to pack my things.
H: You bitch, that was private. Just for that I'm smashing your laptop and keying your car.
W: You utter prick. I'm locking the rest of my stuff in the garage because I don't trust you near it.
H: Well forget about 30 days, it better be out of there in 2. And don't talk to the kids, or tell them where you're going - they're staying here with me, understand? *smashes some more of his wife's stuff as she moves it to the garage*
H rings his parents (Dawkins): That bitch called me an utter prick, so I've kicked her out and taken steps to protect the kids.
W tries to get stuff from the garage only to find that the locks have been changed and when she tried her key she's stepped in the dog turd in a brown paper bag her husband had left near the lock (the Rickroll).
... the fight has been so spectacular it makes the papers ...
H's parents to press: That bitch called our son names, and it's no wonder he wants her out of the house ASAP.
W to press: What a crock, that's not how it happened at all and I can prove it, I videoed heaps of the argument on my phone.
H: silence.
H's parents to press: We stand by our son. He may have gone a bit far at one point, but it was only after ferocious provocation. He's only human and he's a great guy. Just wait till you meet his new wife, she's great. As for his ex, we're going to get her a new laptop even though we don't need to - she should be grateful.

And here we are with the husband and his parents thinking everything's going to be just fine and the kids will forget about their Mom and the whole fight when they find out how great their stepmother is. (She's just like his first wife, but more obedient and less of a potty-mouth, apparently. What's not to like?)

[M]

Take a bow, that man!

[Hermit]

http://richarddawkins.net/articleCommen ... e13#466126

Screencapped this shit! lololol

624. Comment #466126 by OlivierK on March 3, 2010 at 11:19 am
First up, I don't have a dog in this race. I follow Dawkins' work, but have never participated in either the forums or the front page. Nevertheless, the story of the meltdown caught my interest, and I've followed it this far, and....

maryhelena's divorce analogy caught my attention. Partly because I think it's close to the mark, and partly because I just have this thing for analogies ;-)

The way it looks to this outsider, using maryhelena's analogy, is sort of as follows:

Husband (admins): I think we need to talk about our relationship.
Wife (mods): OK, lets talk.
H: Not now, later.
W: OK. Want to give me a hint?
H: Not really, but don't worry, everything's fine.
W: Let me know, then.
... time passes ...
W: You want to talk about that thing now?
H: Not really. *shifty shuffling*
... more time passes ...
H: I know I said we needed to talk, but even though this isn't what we discussed, you've got 30 days to get your shit out of the house. Don't steal any of my stuff, don't poison the dog, don't shit in the swimming pool, don't try to access our joint accounts. I don't require a response, just do as I say and nobody gets hurt.
H to the kids (forum members): Everything is alright - Mom and I are just talking about moving to a nicer house.
W to the kids: Actually, your Dad has just insulted me and told me to pack my things.
H: You bitch, that was private. Just for that I'm smashing your laptop and keying your car.
W: You utter prick. I'm locking the rest of my stuff in the garage because I don't trust you near it.
H: Well forget about 30 days, it better be out of there in 2. And don't talk to the kids, or tell them where you're going - they're staying here with me, understand? *smashes some more of his wife's stuff as she moves it to the garage*
H rings his parents (Dawkins): That bitch called me an utter prick, so I've kicked her out and taken steps to protect the kids.
W tries to get stuff from the garage only to find that the locks have been changed and when she tried her key she's stepped in the dog turd in a brown paper bag her husband had left near the lock (the Rickroll).
... the fight has been so spectacular it makes the papers ...
H's parents to press: That bitch called our son names, and it's no wonder he wants her out of the house ASAP.
W to press: What a crock, that's not how it happened at all and I can prove it, I videoed heaps of the argument on my phone.
H: silence.
H's parents to press: We stand by our son. He may have gone a bit far at one point, but it was only after ferocious provocation. He's only human and he's a great guy. Just wait till you meet his new wife, she's great. As for his ex, we're going to get her a new laptop even though we don't need to - she should be grateful.

And here we are with the husband and his parents thinking everything's going to be just fine and the kids will forget about their Mom and the whole fight when they find out how great their stepmother is. (She's just like his first wife, but more obedient and less of a potty-mouth, apparently. What's not to like?)

Nice parody by OlivierK. And didn't the resident sycophants of the front page squeal?

I took up RP's suggestion and ranked the article "Excellent".

[xrayzed]

Take a bow, that man!

+1.

Fuck it, + another 1.

[Matthew Bailey]

My understanding, from the initial announcement of the decision to close the old forums, was so that we wouldn't have to wade through hundreds of Atheism is a religion, or Evolushun is teh work ob da debbil! type threads.

My understanding was also that it would make it easier to direct answers to those who err in their thoughts of the scientific process without overwhelming them... This will have to wait to be seen, but it is something that I suspect will be included.

I have noticed that I am at a loss for what to do when I used to post on RDF though, so I hope that it comes back soon...

Matthew Bailey

[Ayaan]

My understanding, from the initial announcement of the decision to close the old forums, was so that we wouldn't have to wade through hundreds of Atheism is a religion, or Evolushun is teh work ob da debbil! type threads.

My understanding was also that it would make it easier to direct answers to those who err in their thoughts of the scientific process without overwhelming them... This will have to wait to be seen, but it is something that I suspect will be included.

I have noticed that I am at a loss for what to do when I used to post on RDF though, so I hope that it comes back soon...

Matthew Bailey

Not that I want you to leave, but you can find many of the RDF regulars over at http://www.rationalskepticism.org/. You'll see quite a few folks you know.

[AshtonBlack]

My understanding, from the initial announcement of the decision to close the old forums, was so that we wouldn't have to wade through hundreds of Atheism is a religion, or Evolushun is teh work ob da debbil! type threads.

My understanding was also that it would make it easier to direct answers to those who err in their thoughts of the scientific process without overwhelming them... This will have to wait to be seen, but it is something that I suspect will be included.

I have noticed that I am at a loss for what to do when I used to post on RDF though, so I hope that it comes back soon...

Matthew Bailey

For Serious stuff Rat Skep is looking good.
For Fun shit... well, you're in the right place!

[xrayzed]

My understanding, from the initial announcement of the decision to close the old forums, was so that we wouldn't have to wade through hundreds of Atheism is a religion, or Evolushun is teh work ob da debbil! type threads.

My understanding was also that it would make it easier to direct answers to those who err in their thoughts of the scientific process without overwhelming them... This will have to wait to be seen, but it is something that I suspect will be included.

I have noticed that I am at a loss for what to do when I used to post on RDF though, so I hope that it comes back soon...

Matthew Bailey

For Serious stuff Rat Skep is looking good.
For Fun shit... well, you're in the right place!

That's my take on the shake-out. I'm registered at both.

[klr]

The "Outrage" notice is gone from the forum, as is the "We're all very excited" notice. There's just a simple one-liner there now. No surprise really.

[Hermit]

The "Outrage" notice is gone from the forum, as is the "We're all very excited" notice. There's just a simple one-liner there now. No surprise really.

None at all.

We haz copiez, though...

...and much else besides.

[klr]

The "Outrage" notice is gone from the forum, as is the "We're all very excited" notice. There's just a simple one-liner there now. No surprise really.

None at all.

We haz copiez, though...

...and much else besides.

I remember in one of his books he noted with some satisfaction that nothing is ever really deleted on the internet. In that case, he was referring to some compromising notice or statement that had been withdrawn from circulation, but not before Google had latched on to it, which allowed an alert journalist to reconstruct it for posterity.

So what goes around comes around. Be more careful what you say on de interwebz in future Richard.