PETA

[Animavore]

I had a huge argument with someone supposedly with PETA last week, telling me I'm enslaving my dogs and my cat by making them into domestic pets. So I'm probably biased right now when I look for the "bunch of loud ignorant assholes" option.

They love this "all or nothing" kind of argument. My cats are all rescues, since forever, so they would have been euthanized someone like me hadn't come along. I wonder if they'd complain about the quality of cat food I put out for the feral community here. I go through a large bag of dry and 60 cans each month on the deck. They'd probably say I should live outside and let the strays have the house.

You should probably also feed the cats veggies.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I had a huge argument with someone supposedly with PETA last week, telling me I'm enslaving my dogs and my cat by making them into domestic pets. So I'm probably biased right now when I look for the "bunch of loud ignorant assholes" option.

They love this "all or nothing" kind of argument. My cats are all rescues, since forever, so they would have been euthanized someone like me hadn't come along. I wonder if they'd complain about the quality of cat food I put out for the feral community here. I go through a large bag of dry and 60 cans each month on the deck. They'd probably say I should live outside and let the strays have the house.

You should probably also feed the cats veggies.

My indoors get grass regularly. (Not that kind, the boring kind.)

[elettaria]

They love this "all or nothing" kind of argument. My cats are all rescues, since forever, so they would have been euthanized someone like me hadn't come along. I wonder if they'd complain about the quality of cat food I put out for the feral community here. I go through a large bag of dry and 60 cans each month on the deck. They'd probably say I should live outside and let the strays have the house.

One of my dogs and the cat are both rescues...the cat just showed up one day, and sort of moved in.
I think they already own the house, or at least they own 2/3 of the couch and 8/10 of the bed.
I know who is enslaved here, and it's not them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They love this "all or nothing" kind of argument. My cats are all rescues, since forever, so they would have been euthanized someone like me hadn't come along. I wonder if they'd complain about the quality of cat food I put out for the feral community here. I go through a large bag of dry and 60 cans each month on the deck. They'd probably say I should live outside and let the strays have the house.

One of my dogs and the cat are both rescues...the cat just showed up one day, and sort of moved in.
I think they already own the house, or at least they own 2/3 of the couch and 8/10 of the bed.
I know who is enslaved here, and it's not them.

Most people volunteer to care for their animals, and many of those make significant sacrifices to maintain them. PETA extremist ignore that.

[MissingNo.]

I had a huge argument with someone supposedly with PETA last week, telling me I'm enslaving my dogs and my cat by making them into domestic pets. So I'm probably biased right now when I look for the "bunch of loud ignorant assholes" option.

Yeah, you shouldn't enslave cats and dogs. They should be free to wander the streets and starve to death.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I had a huge argument with someone supposedly with PETA last week, telling me I'm enslaving my dogs and my cat by making them into domestic pets. So I'm probably biased right now when I look for the "bunch of loud ignorant assholes" option.

Yeah, you shouldn't enslave cats and dogs. They should be free to wander the streets and starve to death.

We had a huge flood here in '07. I fed a few dozen cats and dogs for weeks after that, all of them with no collars. People who leave their pets behind deserve a special hell. (There were a few animals with collars and those that were socialized enough to be caught were taken to a no-kill near here.)

[Rum]

They overlook the fact that with the exception of the few wild places left on the planet nearly all animals are domesticated and 'systemic' - i.e symbiotic to some extent with human beings. Dogs evolution (and later selective breeding) makes them pretty well totally symbiotic with human beings. They learn to respond to human facial movements innately for example.

Cats. Well we can all fuck right off as far as they are concerned I guess.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

They overlook the fact that with the exception of the few wild places left on the planet nearly all animals are domesticated and 'systemic' - i.e symbiotic to some extent with human beings. Dogs evolution (and later selective breeding) makes them pretty well totally symbiotic with human beings. They learn to respond to human facial movements innately for example.

Cats. Well we can all fuck right off as far as they are concerned I guess.

I've a feeling (and I could be wrong) that most PETA members are creationists, so "dog evolution" would mean diddly-squat to them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They overlook the fact that with the exception of the few wild places left on the planet nearly all animals are domesticated and 'systemic' - i.e symbiotic to some extent with human beings. Dogs evolution (and later selective breeding) makes them pretty well totally symbiotic with human beings. They learn to respond to human facial movements innately for example.

Cats. Well we can all fuck right off as far as they are concerned I guess.

After three years the alpha male feral allows me to pet him once in a while. He has accepted me as co-owner of the property. He's still very shy, of course, you can tell he's been taught that humans, on the whole, are bastards.

[RuleBritannia]

People Eating Tasty Animals.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Anyone got any good links?

Just watched all 4 parts. Thanks.

[maiforpeace]

I do not support PETA's present methods or position. However, I give Peta huge credit for bringing the issue of Cruelty to Animals to the public's awareness, which is something I think the Humane Society and other organizations failed at.

Peta also produces some pretty compelling ad campaigns.

[Animavore]

Peta also produces some pretty compelling ad campaigns.

Pretty manipulative ad campaigns on par with anti-abortionists.

[Rum]

Story in the press here today which is appropriate to link to. Lawyers for animals..

at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8554012.stm


Switzerland referendum on providing lawyers for animals

A nationwide referendum is taking place in Switzerland on a proposal to give animals the constitutional right to be represented in court. Animal rights groups say appointing state-funded animal lawyers would ensure animal welfare laws are upheld, and help prevent cases of cruelty.

Opponents say Switzerland does not need more legislation regarding animal protection.

The Swiss government has recommended that voters reject the idea.

There is already one animal lawyer in Switzerland. Zurich has made legal representation for animals in cruelty cases compulsory since 1992. The current incumbent is Antoine Goetschel. He has gone to court on behalf dogs, cats, cows, sheep, and even a fish.

He believes speaking up for those who cannot speak for themselves is the essence of justice.

"For me the animals are one of the weakest parts in society and they need to be better protected.

"So, it's kind of a fight for a minority that needs to be supported. And to make legislation more respectful towards humans and animals as a whole."

But Switzerland has very strict animal welfare laws, and the Swiss government, conscious that the taxpayer would have to pay the fees for a nationwide system of animal lawyers, has recommended voters reject the idea. And there is opposition from Switzerland's powerful farming lobby.

Struggling with reduced subsidies and falling milk prices, Swiss farmers say animal lawyers would simply add another layer of bureaucracy to a system already overburdened with animal protection legislation.

[owtth]

Anyone got any good links?

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

This site is a bit one-sided but it gives an insight into the less publicised aspects of PETA's operations.