Why is it that . . .

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Post by Berthold » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:50 pm

Animavore wrote:Not correct. Triceratops had beaks and thy were fucked.
The ones that would later become birds did not have beaks at time of mass extinction.
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It is generally agreed that the Neornithes evolved in the Cretaceous Period and that the split between the Palaeognathae and Neognathae, and then the split between Galloanserae (fowl) and the other Neognathae, occurred before the Cretaceous-Tertiary (K-T) extinction event, but there are different opinions about whether the radiation of the remaining neognathes occurred before or after the extinction of the other dinosaurs.
Not all birds were toothed back then. ;)

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Post by Animavore » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:04 pm

I'm watching a programme on this right now.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:06 pm

Animavore wrote:I'm watching a programme on this right now.
What channel, please?
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Post by Animavore » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:07 pm

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Animavore wrote:I'm watching a programme on this right now.
What channel, please?
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Animavore wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:I'm watching a programme on this right now.
What channel, please?
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On it.
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Post by Animavore » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:10 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:I'm watching a programme on this right now.
What channel, please?
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On it.
Really? :what: Have you got one of those international satellite thingys?
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Re: Why is it that . . .

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:10 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:I'm watching a programme on this right now.
What channel, please?
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On it.
Animavore wrote:Really? :what: Have you got one of those international satellite thingys?
No. Why do you ask?
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Post by Animavore » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:11 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:I'm watching a programme on this right now.
What channel, please?
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On it.
Animavore wrote:Really? :what: Have you got one of those international satellite thingys?
No. Why do you ask?
I'm wondering how you could be on Sky watching this programme.
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Re: Why is it that . . .

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:14 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:I'm watching a programme on this right now.
What channel, please?
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On it.
Animavore wrote:Really? :what: Have you got one of those international satellite thingys?
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Animavore wrote:I'm wondering how you could be on Sky watching this programme.
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Re: Why is it that . . .

Post by Fact-Man » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:48 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:The book I have just describes the fossil record and gives no insight into why they survived. This book is more about the tree of life and shows the intermediaries between ancient and modern types. Quite detailed it is too but it doesn't stray out of palaeontology. It stays on topic throughout.

Sorry.
Feck's article gives an opinion on the dinos, but I'm still looking to see if the "rule" applies across the board for the K-T event. If relative brain size is the key for the dinos would it apply to other types of animals? If not, does it really apply to dinos?
It could be size and warm bloodedness either. I did once read speculation that mammals because they were small and could sustain themselves on grubs and insects and such through the darkness following the aftermath and cold.
The dinosaurs that became birds already had feathers which could have insulated them and I know some of them were quite small like chickens. They may even have had warm blood already at this stage. Fossils can never tell us things like that.
Ok the part about the avian dinosaurs is totally me speculating but if they can do it so can I.
Alligators and turtles survived. Coelocanth (sp?) survived. Warm-blood would have helped, but it's not the only type to survive. (Just rambling here, thinking out loud.)
And crocodiles and sharks, likely among many in the hydrological environment.

It doesn't occur to me that either brain size or warm-bloodedness were absolutely crucial to surviving the KT event. Neither alligators nor crocs nor turtles or sharks have large brains, but they are warm blooded. The mammals that survived were small and rodent-like in stature, no real big brained types there, but warm bloodedness is there. We're not sure if the beakless dinos that survived had become warm blooded or not by the time KT event struck.

I reckon the trick is to think about the nature of the global environment post KT event and consider what attributes would have contributed to the survival of species in that environment. Waterways and seas and oceans probably didn't change a good deal from before the event to after it, aside from perhaps some cooling. For terrestrial species it seems that small size and warm blood were key, for which we can be thankful because we descended from those survivors!

Anyway, it's an interesting question.
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